528: Reclaiming Health Sovereignty and Freedom

Mainstream health beliefs are crumbling under the weight of profit-driven agendas. Join us as we challenge the status quo with John Gusty, co-author of “Red Pill Revolution,” who exposes the hidden priorities of industries from healthcare to music. By embracing the radical philosophy of anarchy, John redefines personal sovereignty and health autonomy, encouraging us to break free from the societal structures that prioritize conformity over well-being. His journey, including working with music legends like Bon Jovi and Kanye West, reveals the double-edged sword of fame's allure and its darker undercurrents.

Highlights:

• Challenging Mainstream Health Beliefs
• Navigating Fame, Fortune, and Integrity
• Examining Societal Narcissism and Anarchy
• Uncovering Medical Misconceptions and Realities
• Navigating Medical Misconceptions and Realities
• Navigating Healthcare Costs and Corruption
• Awakening to Systematic Corruption
• Choosing Natural Health Over Pharmaceuticals
• Uncovering Healthcare Industry Corruption
• Empowering Health Choices for Change
• Preparing for Systemic Vulnerabilities
• Building Holistic Health Networks
• Unlocking Optimal Health Through Supplements

Intro:

Hello, true health seeker, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast. 

Today we have a really interesting and fun conversation with John Gusty, co-author of the book Red Pill Revolution. If that rings a bell for you that’s because I had another one of the authors of that book on the show recently.  Episode 526, Proof Versus Toxic Propaganda: Navigating the Lies of Modern Medicine and How to Break Free to Achieve True Health with Dr. Jeremy Ayres. If you haven't already, check out that interview.

This interview is a little bit of a different perspective. We have with us John Gusty, who is not a doctor, but he is  you and I and that he is disenfranchised with the mainstream medical system. He takes a little bit of a different approach to it. He's a proud anarchist, which I always assumed that anarchy meant violence, that it was disrespectful, that it was chaotic, that it was something that tore things down, that it didn't promote love and peace. My viewpoint of anarchy is, of course, what I have seen in the media, as we all have, and John talks about that from the philosophical standpoint of anarchy, which I think actually a lot of us could agree on a lot of the points that he brings up today. It's always good to do thought exercises. It's always good to stretch our own belief system, challenge our belief system or even strengthen our belief system by hearing what we don't agree with, and that's okay too. It's okay. It doesn't hurt us to listen to different viewpoints. 

What John shares today, though, is about helping people have their anonymity, helping people have their sovereignty, especially when it comes to their health, and how the mainstream medical establishment, the pharmaceutical industry, the food industry, even the music industry, which is where he originally comes from how it all is designed to control you, to profit from you and, in many cases, profit from your illness. I know I'm preaching to the choir. He does have some great ideas for solutions, and you can check out his book, the Red Pill Revolution, as well as what Dr. Ayers discussed two episodes ago on the membership site, where they actually do have doctors that are holistic doctors that discuss natural solutions, their website being  naturallybetterforyou.com.

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Welcome to the Learn True Health Podcast. I'm your host, Ashley James. This is episode 528.

Ashley James (0:07:53.282)

I am so excited for today's guest. This is gonna be a really interesting conversation. John Gusty was in the entertainment industry for over 30 years, working with some of music's biggest names, and his wife was originally diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Was this a misdiagnosis, the way your bio says originally diagnosed? 

John Gusty (0:08:18.184)

Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Ashley. I think this is going to be a fantastic conversation as well. We could probably kill the entire episode just talking about the word diagnose because that's a huge subject. I think any diagnosis should be treated like an opinion because that's true, at least when we're talking about the medical industrial complex. If anyone is getting diagnosed within the medical industrial complex, I would take it as one man's or one woman's opinion. It's always best to seek multiple opinions before making an informed decision.

Ashley James (0:09:03.422)

We're definitely going to talk about that more. So you were in the music industry for over 30 years. Do some name dropping. What are some bands that I'd be impressed that you worked with? 

John Gusty (0:09:13.228)

Oh, my goodness. Well, I was blessed to be in the Bon Jovi inner circle for a good while. Worked on the Keith Urban team, worked a little bit with Kanye West around the Graduation album period, worked on the Dolly Parton team for a good while. I'm kind of the “always a bridesmaid, never a bride” of rock and roll. If I told you some of the people I've counted as friends and neighbors who went on to international fame, it would sound like I was name-dropping.

I came out of a pretty vibrant music scene in Tempe, Arizona, so you've probably heard of names like the Gin Blossoms, the Meat Puppets, and the Refreshments. Then I moved to Athens, Georgia, which was another very rich musical scene. The guys from REM were very good to me, my projects, and my friends. The B-52s hail from there as well.

I've seen it happen to many people. I've seen people go from unknown to internationally known, and it's interesting how that affects even the most stable people. The unstable people? I think we all know what happens to them. But fame and fortune is a funny thing.

Ashley James (0:10:58.640)

Well, and is it just the getting fame and fortune causes some mental hiccups, or is it also that the industry is incredibly toxic? It's both, yes. 

John Gusty (0:11:11.966)

It's both, yes. I think especially these days where society is just marinating in narcissism. 

Sometimes you're just drowning in narcissism. It's hard to get away from it. Now everybody's a star, everyone's a public figure, but pre-internet, it was a powerful thing to stand up on a stage, do the Jesus Christ pose, and have thousands of people literally screaming for you.

Even the most stable person—I'll tell you, the guys in REM could not be more normal, stable, just good people—and I watched the toll it took on them. It will mess with your mind, and how could it not? 

Jon Bon Jovi started when he was 17 years old, and since the age of 17, he's lived the life of a good-looking, talented man who has had everything he's ever wanted. He's a good, solid dude. There's actually an interesting documentary series on Hulu  now that chronicles Jon Bon Jovi. I just watched it the other night, and I think he did a really good, honest job with it. There's a lot of that interview where he talks about the mental toll that fame, that kind of attention, and that kind of ego takes on a person—even the most sane people. So yes, fame and fortune is a weird thing.

Ashley James (0:13:03.093)

So that in itself, ? On top of that, you have a very toxic industry that's looking to profit off of these artists. I see what comes out of Hollywood, for example. Now we have a lot of actors who started as children talking about how they were sexually abused in order to get a role, how even teenagers or those in their early 20s, both women and men, were asked to perform sexual acts on the director or somebody else in order to get a role. It's coming out just how disgusting and sick it is. There's a lot of manipulation, and the carrot at the end of the stick is this fame and fortune they're holding out in front of them. So yes, I can imagine that the music industry is equally as corrupt.  

John Gusty (0:14:02.969)

Well, as is the medical industry, as is the food industry, as any. I mean, it really comes down to this, and this is something that, once I accepted it as a reality, it really helped me move forward in this wacky world that we live in without being angry all the time.

The realization is this: anytime there's an audience, anything or anyone that garners an audience—whether it's a singer, a brand of lemonade, a TV show, or a band—anybody or anything that can command and garner an audience, that audience's attention is powerful stuff.

I guarantee you  now, Ashley, you and I could make a blood pact and go, “We're going to try to garner an audience and keep the evil forces from attacking us or coming after us.” I swear, if we get an audience that reaches a certain size, dark—let's just call it dark—dark people and dark energies start becoming attracted to your power to pull that audience. They need that attention; they need that reach.

So entertainment, by definition, is going to be filled with sick, dark, predatory energies, people, and intentions, by the nature of the fact that anything that pulls an audience is going to be co-opted or attempted to be co-opted by those dark forces at some point.

Ashley James (0:15:59.245)

I have a personal belief that we're in a spiritual war, and I've seen it.

I see it in the medical industrial complex. I see it in every aspect. We are bathed in this milieu of trying to take over your life and your mind and have you vote. The evil of the world is constantly trying to gain your focus and get you off course.

Their biggest strategy now is to get you to believe it's no big deal—it's no big deal that there are artists on stage at concerts dancing in demon costumes and performing satanic ritual things. It's no big deal, it's just for fun, it's no big deal.

John Gusty (0:16:50.981)

That's the essence of gaslighting. I'll tell you, years ago, I think I was probably born this way and just didn’t know. I didn’t know the terms or the directions to find these things. But earlier in life, I discovered an amazing community of people that identified as anarchists, and I really fell into that community.

That was the first time I was around people who, if you refer to yourself as an anarchist, you're really just adhering to two principles: no masters, no servants—which I think we can all agree on. I mean, if you believe in masters and servants, then you believe in slavery, and I don’t think many people actually believe in slavery. So, no masters, no servants and you have to adhere to the non-aggression principle where unless you’re defending your own life or the life of someone else, there’s no reason to become physically aggressive with anyone. There’s always a better way to work things out than through force.

When you are amongst other anarchists, the whole essence is you want to be accepted for your beliefs, and so you have to accept other people for their beliefs. Immediately, there's no walls between anybody, because you can have two people standing in a room, and if they're both anarchists and they just disagree on everything, they're going to peacefully disagree.

When I started taking that more anarchistic approach to life, which was boiled down in modern-day terms, it's you do you, and I'll do me, and unless we're hurting each other, truly hurting, I'm not talking about offending or inconveniencing, I'm talking about hurt, if I'm causing you harm or you're causing me, unless that's happening, then you do you, I'll do me, and we can peacefully coexist. The only place that I see that happening is within the anarchist community.

But it also let me let go of a lot of anger, because I think a lot of us are or were or will continue to be angry because we're just wanting to be heard and understood, and I think that's the essence of the narcissism that you see with social media. Social media by definition is narcissistic. Because I'm telling you, Ashley, let's go back 15, 20 years ago, if you and I were friends and I showed up at your front door at 10:30 at night, knocking on your front door, and you answered it, and you're what? I had a picture of my dinner, and I was, hey, I just wanted to show you this picture of the dinner that I ate tonight. You'd be, dude, it's 10:30 at night. I don't care. I love you, but I don't care what you ate for dinner.

But people do that all the time on social media. It's, hey, look what I ate for dinner, look where I'm at that you're not. Look at my feet with the beach in the background, and you're not. I know people will go, oh, it's a great way to connect with family and stuff, and you're , it is. But that's not 90% of the reason why people put stuff up on social media. People put stuff up on social media because, if we're all being honest, we're wanting people to go read me, look at me, watch me.

And, okay, sometimes in marketing you want to do that, but in everyday life, when you're doing that, that's just pure narcissism, and we're marinating in it.

Ashley James (0:20:49.356)

I've never thought of anarchy in that way. I always consider maybe I have to go look up the definition of anarchy, but I always thought it meant people who want to create chaos. I'm thinking the Dungeons and Dragons version of your chaotic neutral and your chaotic good, and I'm just thinking anything with the word chaos to me is anarchy. That's just how the mainstream media creates it.

John Gusty (0:20:11.300)

That's how your Fox News, your CNNs, your cable news religions, that's how they portray it. Because the last thing in the world that they want, and when I say they, I mean the statists, the corporate statists, their biggest enemy, is individuality and personal creativity. So they need you to conform. They need you to fall in line and do what they want you to do. You can't. Anarchy is their biggest fear or enemy, because in anarchy there isn't—again, I'll phrase it another way. I'll just ask you a really simple question, Ashley: do you think that person A has the right to walk up to person B and declare non-consensual authority over that person?

No, of course not. Of course not. But we're going to watch it in just six short months. We're going to watch our friends and family all take part in the next season of America’s Next Top President and they’re going to willingly go back into this. It's an abusive relationship. It really is. Let's stick with the abusive relationship analogy—how many times does he have to cheat on you? How many times does he have to hit you? How many times are they going to talk about education, the economy, foreign policy? Nothing, ever. The religion of statism—I dare you to cite one example that the religion of statism has improved. Name anything that ‘s improved.

Has food gotten cheaper or healthier? Is water cleaner or free? We're the only species that I know of that puts a paywall between us and water, which is essential to even be alive. But I mean, nothing ever gets better. But we're going to watch. We're going to watch our friends and family go and ask for more of that abusive relationship.

Ashley James (0:23:51.496)

When I was about 11 years old, I was sitting in the back seat. I actually have a memory of this. She popped this tape that her friend lent her, and it was a health lecture by this doctor, and my eyes were opened that day. My eyes were opened, and I didn't know this guy's name. For years I didn't know his name, but what he said stuck with me.

He grew up on a beef farm in Missouri, and he watched as him and his family fed nutritional pellets to the calves and to the cows that contained many vitamins and minerals in order to keep those animals super healthy so they never got sick. He said to his dad, why do we give animals nutrition to keep them healthy, but we don't eat them ourselves? His dad said something like, shut up, boy, and get back to work. But he ended up actually putting the calf pellets in his pockets and munching on them, and he found that some of his health issues at a young age went away when he started to eat the calf pellets because he had a nutrient deficiency. He wasn't really aware; he was just going, well, if it's good for the calf, why can't I have it? Then he started to see stuff get better.

He went on to become a naturopathic doctor and a research scientist and a large animal vet, and he has a degree in pathology and soil agriculture. Just a really amazing research scientist. I found him—this is God's path for me—I found him years later, and he became my mentor, but I heard his lecture when I was 11, and it shaped how I saw the world because he said the system is corrupt. It is designed on purpose. We keep animals healthy so that your burger only costs $2. If we treated animals the same way we treated humans, your burger would be $100.

So it's a for-profit industry. Both systems are for-profit. Keep animals healthy for profit. Keep humans sick for profit. Everything is designed for profit, and as long as you understand that, if it's profitable to keep you sick, you will never find healthy food, you will never find doctors that are even trained to help you be healthy healthy, because, since over 100 years, doctors' education has been dictated by the pharmaceutical industry, and this isn't whack job. This is proven history.

John Gusty (0:26:36.978)

No, I mean Rockefeller. Rockefeller came in. In fact, if you haven't seen it, one of my favorite documentarians is a gentleman by the name of James Corbett and he has done many documentaries but he has one called Rockefeller Medicine where he meticulously goes through the timeline and it's all referenced. It's not conjecture. It's all factual stuff and you can go see it for yourself. 

But I mean, he absolutely came in with the intention of setting up the allopathic system because, let's remember, these people were oil people to begin with, and the pharmaceutical industry is all oil-based products—it's all petroleum. He bought his way onto university boards to where, today, you will not find a university that isn't plugged into the Rockefeller system.

So he kind of single-handedly created this allopathic system and squashed everything else—all the natural, homeopathic, traditional stuff that worked. That's the key  there: it worked. But he set up a system that has only three tools in its tool belt.

They're going to cut you, they're going to burn you, or they're going to drug you. It's surgery, pharmaceuticals, or radiation. That's all they’ve got. You could go into a doctor today with a sore elbow and just say, “Hey, my elbow hurts,” and I guarantee you're at least going to get drugged. You may not get cut or burned, but they're going to drug you, as opposed to trying to figure out, well, why does your elbow hurt?

Ashley James (0:28:36.348)

They're not trained to support the body's ability to heal itself. Now, doctors—a lot of them have their hearts in the  place—but their training has shifted the lens through which they view the body and medicine.

In college, one of my professors was a retired surgeon, and he up and down adamantly talked about how the body cannot regrow cartilage once you have arthritis. He got so angry, and I thought it was super interesting because, at that point, I didn't really have an opinion either way, but he was so adamant: “You cannot regrow your cartilage when you have arthritis. Just remember that.” I’m like, “OK, weird, but OK.”

The guy I was dating at the time had a really bad injury when he was a kid. He shouldn't have been able to walk, yet he was. It was a biking injury that left him with no ligaments in his knee. He shouldn't have been able to walk, but he did martial arts and strengthened his legs so much that it was his tendons that kept him going. He could twist around on his knee, which was really gross. He had lost a lot of cartilage from that accident, but he took copious amounts of glucosamine, chondroitin, and any kind of joint support he could get his hands on. I watched him get better. I watched his knee get better.

I'm, oh, that's interesting. Why is this doctor so angry about this and so adamant? You cannot heal yourself, you cannot heal yourself. He just, over and over again, wanted to pound into our heads that we couldn't heal ourselves.

Then I watched it happen. Now I've had many, many of my clients over the last almost 13 years regrow their cartilage and their body. Your body can heal itself, but doctors are taught that your body cannot heal itself on many levels, and so they want to pass that on to you.

John Gusty (0:30:42.573)

Yes. They only know what they know, and they're coming at it. I take issue with the whole being told you have something. I mean, I got told you have arthritis. I don't believe that arthritis is a thing that you have. Everything is balance and toxicity.

I'll give you another dumb analogy. If you had a wall in your home that you could tell was compromised, something was up with it, sagging or whatever, and you call in a professional and I come in as the professional, okay. Now, if I told you that your wall had termititis, and we had to go through this whole big protocol to address your wall's termititis, your wall doesn't have a condition, it doesn't have termititis, it has termites, and you have to go in and address the termites, which is not a long-term thing. You address the problem and then what. You don't have termites anymore, but a doctor would tell you that that wall has termititis, and so now, for the rest of your wall's life, you're going to be thinking of it as having this condition, and you see what I'm saying.

That kind of circles back to the topic of diagnosis. People get told that they have these conditions, and I'm not saying that conditions don't exist, but I hope my wall analogy made sense. The wall didn't have termititis. Termititis isn't a thing. Having termites is a thing, but termititis is not a thing. It's just a word that I made up.

Ashley James (0:32:30.455)

We have symptoms. Actually, that's the language of the body. The body is expressing to us, “Hey, there's an imbalance here. Here's the symptoms,” and if you could read the symptoms—which my doctor that is my mentor, he talks a lot about this—the body speaks in symptoms, and we need to give it the nutrients it needs. We need to stop doing the things that are causing more damage. There's certain foods that cause more damage, certain lifestyle choices that cause more damage. We got to stop doing that. So stop putting fuel on the fire. Give the body all the nutrients it needs, healthy food, and start doing the lifestyle changes that support the body's ability to heal itself. Then get out of your own way because the body wants to heal itself.

And don't identify—I think with diagnosis, the problem is we identify as the diagnosis.

Like I'm an alcoholic. Well, how long was your last drink? Thirty years ago. OK. So if you have to wake up every day—I mean, if this keeps you sober, then keep saying you're an alcoholic—but you haven't touched alcohol in 30 years.

It's saying, “I'm a diabetic.” Well, what's your A1C? Well, my A1C has been a 4.9 for the last 15 years, but I cured my diabetes 15 years ago, but I”m still diabetic. It’s not your personality. It doesn’t define who you are.

John Gusty (0:33:51.263)

I think it's even worse than that. Ashley, I'm sure you can appreciate, if somebody gets told they're ugly, rare is the person that can shake that off. For the rest of that person's life, it's always going to be there. That someone told them that they were ugly, and they're going to wear that internally, and some people may become obsessed with it and really start to believe that they're ugly.

That's what happens when someone gets told, “You have cancer.”

I don't advocate violence, but I'll tell you what: I would love to line up every doctor ever that looked another human being in the eyes and told them that they have X number of days or months to live or years to live. The audacity of putting that in somebody's head is beyond cruel, mean—I mean, it's, again, the audacity.

So people wear that, and it’d be one thing to be told that you're ugly or you're dumb. Okay, well, that's going to stick with you a long time. But if you get told you have cancer, you’ve got six months to live, imagine. You’re never going to shake that. People will wear that. Any of us, and for being honest, we know how powerful the mind is. If you get told  something, that you have something, you become obsessed with it, and you can't shake it, and you start wearing that internally—you’re going to manifest it.

If you believe that you have a stomach ache hard enough, you're going to have a stomachache. You'll eventually get a stomachache. So, again, it's so cruel that people get told they have things.

That wall didn't have termititis. It had a problem with termites, and it's easily fixed, and you can fix that problem. Then what? That wall is perfectly fine.

Using that wall as an analogy for a person—that wall doesn't have to walk around for the rest of its life thinking that it has something, because it didn't. It had a temporary situation that needed to be addressed, fixed, balanced out, and nurtured.

Ashley James (0:36:17.119)

When you went from working in the entertainment industry to having your wife be diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. What happened that had you completely shift gears and now you work on in this world of helping people to to wake up, to choosing natural health? 

John Gusty (0:36:40.534)

I think I've always been the way that I'm wired. I'll put it this way—I just don't like BS. I really don't like it. If you're going to take part in the art of BSing, at least be good at it, because there are some people who are really, really good at it. There are some politicians, preachers, and others who are really good at getting up in front of people and just BSing them, and it's a gift. Salesmen have to do that all the time.

I got to the point where I've been a relatively healthy person my entire life. I definitely would never go to a doctor at this point. I'd never put myself inside of a hospital. But earlier in life, I didn't have any issues, so I didn't interface with the medical industrial complex at all.

Then, when I got involved with my wife, Dawn—she's my girl—we became a couple, and her issues became my issues. I'm also a digger and a question-asker. I'll get in and start digging and asking questions. My wife is completely the opposite. My wife is a used car salesman's dream come true, and I love her to death. She's very trusting. She just trusts.

I started going to her medical appointments with her because she was walking with a cane at the time, and things were kind of getting progressively worse. Partly because I'm her husband, and partly because I am who I am, I saw her not asking questions. So, I started asking questions. I quickly became her general contractor. I went to every appointment, kept all the notes, asked the questions, and led the initiatives.

It became very apparent, very quickly. You mentioned earlier that there are very good, well-intended people who work inside the medical industrial complex—I get it. I think there are very good, well-intended people who work inside the government school system that really just want to teach and take care of kids. But once you get inside those systems, you realize, “I'm not allowed to teach, I'm not allowed to discipline. I just have to read this script.”

That's exactly what people inside the medical industrial complex are doing. They're just reading the script. You don't even see a medical professional anymore without a tablet in their hands because they sit down with you and go through these algorithms. If this, then this, then this. Their diagnosis is whatever that algorithm spits out. They have to for legal reasons, stay in certain lanes. They're not allowed to be creative, adventurous, or bold. They have to stick to these pre-drafted narratives and lanes.

Mostly, it's for legal reasons because you can't just have doctors doing crazy stuff, and nobody wants to get sued. I saw that, and it just made me mad.

When you take your car to a mechanic, the goal is to get your car fixed. We can all relate to that. We're all over that mechanic in the garage.

Yes, I want my car fixed. The mechanic comes back and goes, “Well, I told you it was this problem, but once we got in there, we found another problem.” They can take you over, show you the carburetor, and you can make a decision whether you want to replace it.

We treat cars and car repairs that way, but we don't treat our body and our body repair and maintenance that way. At least here in the States, we've been raised and programmed, if you will, to just blindly trust the people with white coats and letters after their name, as if they have some divine bit of knowledge that you or I don't have.

I said earlier in this podcast that I wish people would treat diagnosis more as an opinion. Dr. A may diagnose you with this, but Dr. B might see something completely different.

Ashley James (0:41:47.635)

Misdiagnosis is very common. They've done studies on this. It's so common that you should seek multiple—not just a second opinion—multiple opinions. A really important thing to say is to go outside of the network, because a lot of times people get a second opinion by a doctor in the same clinic, hospital, or the same clinic or hospital network. That second opinion doctor will never contradict a doctor who is basically being paid by the same boss.

John Gusty (0:42:19.711)

Well, I'll tell you another trick too, and this is something that I've done for years: just go in as a cash pay. First of all, it's way cheaper. I mean, whenever you see dollar amounts on any sort of medical bills, those are insurance numbers. Let me tell you a quick story. I've got two boys, and both of them were avid soccer players.

One of my sons, one time his knee got twisted up and we had to go get an x-ray. I knew where the radiology place was, so I called them up and said, “I need to make an appointment.” They asked, “Who's the referring doctor?” I said, “There is no referring doctor. You're a radiology place, ? That's the service you provide.” “Yep, okay, well, I want to make an appointment.” So they made the appointment. We went in there. First thing they asked me when I got in for the appointment was, “Can I see your insurance card?” I said, “There is no insurance card involved in this. This is an x-ray. Do you use your auto insurance to buy new tires or put gas in your car or get your oil changed?” No, the insurance is for major, catastrophic things.

So we go and get the x-ray done. I come back out, go to pay the lady, and ask her for the price. She has to look up the price, because, of course, they don't have a menu of prices. They don't actually deal with the prices; they just pass it all on through the insurance. So she comes up with the price: $39.95 to get an x-ray done.

Then, after I pay her, I said, “Hey, let me ask you something. If I had whipped out a Blue Cross Blue Shield card or whatever, what would have been the copay on that?” She said $75. It's $39.99 cash, but if you had insurance, it was only $75. I could tie you up for the next hour telling you similar stories that have happened to me. So, pay cash. Not only is it cheaper, but when you pay cash, you are in charge. Once you put something through insurance, you're not in charge. The insurance company dictates what you're going to have, when you're going to have it, how much of it you're going to have, if you're going to have it at all. So keep the insurance out of the equation. Pay cash, you're the boss, and it's cheaper.

Ashley James (0:44:43.247)

Oh my gosh, I've had that experience too. I called up a local clinic and started asking about their cash prices. I was amazed compared to what insurance charges, and then you're paying every month. I also like that there are health shares out there for big stuff. They're cheaper.

I have a whole episode actually on health shares. It's definitely worth getting when you want to unplug from the corrupt system but also be protected in the event of big things. I'm very discerning when it comes to allopathic medicine. If, God forbid, I broke an arm, I want to get it casted. I want to get it.

The hospital shine is putting you back together in the event of an accident. There are a few types of infections they do really good at. But the problem is that we're taking our bodies to them for everything, and they are not trained to help you get optimal health. That is not in their wheelhouse. So it's like you're taking your car to your plumber for everything. It's like you take everything to your plumber. Sometimes the plumber fixes it because it's plumbing problems, but we're going to the same type of doctor and type of medical system, in which they're only really good at emergency medicine. That's where they have the best outcomes, but they have the worst outcomes in reversing heart disease to the point where someone doesn't have heart disease anymore, reversing diabetes, reversing all kinds of major, major chronic issues. They don't do that, they just medicate.

John Gusty (0:46:41.539)

If you look up, use whatever search engine you prefer. If you look up, the leading cause of death, now, when you take out medical malpractice and hospitals, which are always going to be the leading cause of death, when you take those out of the list, whatever list comes up, look at what's up there. It's either heart stuff or respiratory stuff. If we—I'm not going to say we, because I'm not part of them and I don't think you are either—but if they're so gifted, if they're so knowledgeable, if they're so skilled, how come the leading causes of death are what they are? If none of this stuff is getting any better? They're just like the politician's state. Nothing gets better. In fact, it gets worse. We are in mass. Not healthier than we were 10 years ago. 

Ashley James (0:48:05.848)

As a society even less healthy, it’s going downhill. 

I could use cholesterol as an example. Back when I was a kid, they started bringing out these cholesterol meds and started saying fat's bad, cholesterol's bad, must lower cholesterol. I watched an interview really interesting documentary. There were two doctors that were responsible for deciding what the new healthy level of cholesterol, total cholesterol, should be. What's the new healthy level?  They had to choose a number so low that they could convince the majority of the population, the adult population, to get on statins in order to perform the experiment in the United States. So they made an arbitrary number. They actually looked  much lower and they didn't go and say well, what happens if we lower someone's cholesterol too much? What happens then? 

Because we've been brainwashed for over 30 years that cholesterol is bad, cholesterol is bad. Well, cholesterol is a catch-all phrase for many different types of lipids. There's good, there's bad. But what we don't understand is why is it bad and what causes it to be bad. There's this whole other area of cholesterol that if we don't have it, we gain dementia, because 70 percent of the white matter of the brain is cholesterol. The cells, every cell in your body, every cell wall is made of cholesterol. Your sex hormones and stress hormones are made of cholesterol. So to say that we need to lower all total cholesterol in order to prevent heart disease. Well, how did that experiment work? We now have way more dementia, we have way more neurological problems and we have more heart disease, not less.

John Gusty (0:49:43.776)

Ashley, are you suggesting that the corporate complex would do something intentionally to dumb people down. 

They would actually. You talked about those two doctors, they were straight up forming a marketing plan. That was a marketing plan. A marketing plan to push statins. So that's a double win for them because they get to sell more product. But in doing so, they're literally dumbing and causing the population to take part in practices that damage their brain.

Ashley James (0:50:23.877)

Up until I believe it was 2012. So, I mean, 2012 was three blinks of an eye ago. People who were on statins either every three months or every six months, needed to get regular blood tests to make sure that the statins they were taking weren't damaging their liver too much. See how statins work if they bruise the liver. So, when you take statins, they're supposed to lower your cholesterol. Well, people, unless you're vegan, which I’m whole food, plant-based, along with my husband. So, we don’t eat animal fat. But here’s the cool thing: my body makes cholesterol, my body makes it, my liver makes it. I could go on a potato diet. There was this one guy who ate potatoes for a year. His body made cholesterol the entire time. So, we make cholesterol, whether we eat it or not.

Your liver? It's so vital, it's such a vital nutrient to your body. Your liver produces it. We have these people who now, they're eating burgers, so they're eating eggs or whatever, so they're gaining cholesterol in their diet, also on top of their liver making it. Their doctor says, well, we need to lower your cholesterol. They could eat less cholesterol, but no, let's just continue eating the same amount. Here you have a pill. So, what the pill does is it bruises, it punches. Imagine just punching your liver to the point where your liver ceases to function correctly, damaging the liver so it stops producing as much cholesterol. They had to have you go back and get blood work on a regular basis to make sure that we’re not killing you too much.

When I heard that, my brain exploded. Then, knowing that most people who are on cholesterol meds die sooner, die younger, have dementia way early on, and neuropathy is one of the very common side effects. Once you’re in your fifties, they start pushing the cholesterol meds on you regardless. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it pushed on people who had healthy cholesterol. Well, let’s prevent it from happening in the future. Let’s just lower your cholesterol more.

It is one of the biggest scams that is right in front of our face. In the last four years, they didn’t even try to hide it. They’ve been so blatant. It’s been disgusting to watch them push experimental drugs on us and we see the results now, but they’re trying to cover that up and pretend it never happened. But here we have cholesterol, it causes the seniors. So after, let’s say, you're in your 60s, you're on cholesterol. You’ve been on cholesterol for five years, 10 years. You no longer can feel your feet because you have peripheral neuropathy. What happens when you can't feel your feet? You fall more. When you fall more, you break. Maybe you can break a hip and yay, then they get to make money off of you because they get to replace your hip. It just goes on and on and on. One intervention leads to another, leads to another. They’re banking on you having side effects that can give you more drugs for those side effects. 

John Gusty (0:53:37.362)

Another interesting thing, because we'll always end up back at talking about the pharmaceutical companies.

Another interesting search that you can do is do a search for the top criminal fines paid of all time. Look at the list, and you’ll see I think Pfizer’s on there three times, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, it's all pharmaceutical companies, which by definition, pharmaceutical companies are criminal. Go and search for top criminal fines paid, and every single pharmaceutical company you see on that list is, by definition, a criminal organization, or they wouldn’t be paying criminal fines. I mean, Johnson & Johnson's talc powder has been causing newborn baby girls to have ovarian cancer since the '40s, and that stuff is still on the shelves to this day. It's cheaper for them to just pay those lawsuits off, the ones that are tenacious enough to even keep those lawsuits going, because after a while, most people just give up or they run out of money. But I don't understand how there can be many of us left.

Ashley James (0:55:12.298)

Who are awake? 

John Gusty (0:55:13.904)

I haven't bought food. I don't buy my meat, my produce, or my dairy from stores. I haven't bought food from stores in many, many years. It was a decision I made when I really wanted to start eating as clean as possible. But I do go into stores. You’ve got to buy paper products and stuff like that. So I go into stores quite often, and I always pay attention to the crowd at the pharmacy.

I do not understand. I was just in there yesterday, and there was a big old line at the pharmacy. It's 2024. After what took place from 2020 forward, I don't understand how there can be many people left who would even want to walk up to a pharmaceutical counter, knowing what we know now. I mean, all of the lawsuits and how blatant they've become.

They don't care at this point. They know that there are enough people out there—call it still being asleep, whatever term you want to put on it. They know that there are still enough people out there who feel that they need those pharmaceuticals to get them through the day. I don't know.

To me, I've always noticed that the reason why most people take pharmaceuticals is for pain, for anxiety, or to sleep. Those seem to be the big three reasons.

Ashley James (0:56:49.387)

This really frustrates me because within one month, I can help my clients that come to me with those problems. We can get you within a month. You'll be either in significantly less pain or out of pain if you do what I say. I'm going to give you a list of things to do. You're going to go do them, you're not going to be in pain, you're going to be sleeping amazing, and you're going to have lots of energy. We're going to solve that depression problem and especially anxiety.

I have a technique I teach. I can help you turn off your anxiety in less than 90 seconds. I mean, if you Google my name and anxiety, you'll find lots of interviews where I teach the technique for free. I have a whole system that can get people out of anxiety, feeling amazing, sleeping great, lots of energy, no pain, and there's zero drugs involved. But we're masking the symptoms.

The body is speaking. Imagine if you took a child and the child was saying, “I'm hungry” or “I'm tired,” and instead of you feeding it when it's hungry and letting it sleep when it's tired, you told it to shut up and shoved a pill in its mouth. That's what our body is crying out—like a little child saying, “I need this, and I need that.” You're saying, “Shut up, take this pill.” We're going to suppress that symptom, we're going to suppress it and keep suppressing it.

But the problem is people don't know. They don't know because they've been raised in a system, and it's Plato's allegory of the cave. If you're raised in a system where we trust the white coats, it's a really feel-good, warm, fuzzy feeling. It’s like we're still children, looking for a parental figure. It's such a warm, fuzzy feeling: “If something happens to my body and I'm afraid because I don't know what to do, I can just go to this doctor, and they're going to take care of me because they know what to do.

John Gusty (0:58:47.933)

Why do you think that there's still people at this point? I'm just curious if you had to put some sort of explanation. What do you think might be going through the mind of someone who still trusts that after? 

Ashley James (0:59:05.470)

I believe people choose what's cognitive dissonance. I believe they’re choosing their reality because the alternative is too traumatizing to actually wake up to—that every system of government, every system that we are surrounded by, that controls our lives, can’t be trusted. It’s too scary. When you start waking up to how corrupt governments are, and especially the military-industrial complex, it’s not just our government; it’s every government. It will bring you to tears if you really are fully aware of the atrocities to humanity, in education, and we can go down that rabbit hole, just like the medical complex, our education industry has been rigged for about 100 years as well. It is designed to separate the children from the family and have the government raise the children instead of the family unit.

We’re breaking up the family unit on purpose because we are controlled sheep, we are controlled cattle, if they can take the children away, they are away from their parents and being taught in these brick-and-mortar buildings. They spend more time with strangers raising your kids than you do. You get to raise your kids and influence your kids.

I have a friend who says, “I’m okay with putting my daughter in public school because we have a really good relationship, and I believe that the time I spend with her, I can help shape her.” Okay, so the hour you spend at night with her, the quality of the one hour versus the seven to eight hours she’s with strangers, and then your weekends where you’re doing chores and catching up on life—that’s when you get to influence your child, versus what they’re going to learn from their peers.

It sounds like I’m going off-topic, but what I’m trying to say is they’ve replaced their God with worshiping this system that they live in. When you realize that everything is corrupt and everything is evil, for me, it’s like going to Mexico. Here, you’re innocent until proven guilty. You go to Mexico, and you’re guilty until proven innocent. You need to switch your thinking. Every system is guilty until proven innocent..

It’s a bit freeing once you come to that realization that you have to stand up for yourself. You have to be a label reader, an investigator. You have to research things. There’s this one guy—I don’t remember his name, but I love his videos. He takes pictures of aisles at Walmart or Target, and like for example toothpaste, he does this one video analyzing the toothpaste aisle. “Let’s see what is actually healthy versus pharmaceutical.”

When you go through every single aisle, the pharmaceutical companies that you say are the criminal organizations that pay out the most criminal fines are the ones that are also producing everything you’re putting on your body—your shampoo, your conditioner, your lotions. Unless, like me, you shop with very independent and very healthy companies, you cannot go walk into Target or Walmart and buy anything to put on your body. It is made by a pharmaceutical company, and it is full of petroleum, and it’s disgusting.

I’ll tell you a quick story that’s super interesting. My husband’s uncle is a PhD, was a professor, and he’s from Boulder University, he invented a mass spectrophotometer. I’m sure I’m saying that wrong. Let’s say add a company that’s making pharmaceuticals. There’s this powder, and they’re like, “Oh no, which powder is this? We don’t remember. Is this powder to make Tylenol pills? Is this powder to make statins? We don’t know.” It would be able to tell you. You could have it touch or read out any pill, and it could tell you what it was because it reads the molecular structure of it and could tell you exactly what it is.

He designed it to sell it to pharmacies and pharmaceutical companies as a way to stop accidentally overdosing, misdosing, or giving the wrong drugs, because that is one of the things that kills people. They said after he met with the lawyers—literally every single pharmacy and every single pharmaceutical company—they all said the same thing: “We realize that if we implemented your machine, we would significantly reduce deaths and injuries because we will catch the mistakes. But we don’t want to because it is cheaper for us to wait until someone sues us and pay that than prevent the deaths.”

When he saw that, it was like, “Oh, okay, the system doesn’t actually care about preventing deaths or helping people; they just care about profits.” He ended up selling it to the pulp and paper industry, and it significantly reduced the amount of chemicals they use in making paper. So he helped the environment, which was neat. But he designed it to help save lives, and the pharmaceutical industry said, “No thanks.” They’d rather wait for someone to die and then pay the lawsuit.

John Gusty (1:05:11.037)

Back to that Johnson & Johnson example I cited earlier with the talc powder. Since the 1940s, it's been known that stuff causes ovarian cancer, and it's just cheaper for them to pay the lawsuits. So why in the world? I will always go back to the abusive relationship example. Why would anyone want to continue in that abusive relationship? Unless, like you said, it's just easier to turn a blind eye to it and go, “He's not cheating on me, he loves me.”

Ashley James (1:05:52.983)

There's certain personalities who just couldn't be bothered. That sounds like, oh, not going to the store to buy your food. No, I'd rather just go to the store, buy my food. I know that I'm eating some chemicals. It's okay, I just couldn't be bothered. I have friends like that. Not a lot, most of my friends are like me, but I have friends like that. I have family members like that who are awake a little bit, but no, that's too hard. I don't have enough time, energy, or mental capacity. I'm okay living in this corrupt world and just kind of going about my business. You and I, there's about 10% of the people that we're called mismatchers. You tell us not to turn left. We feel compulse to turn left. You know what I mean. We're like the salmon swimming upstream. You have to be the salmon these days to not become a statistic. 

I've said this dozens of times on my show. But if you're tuning in for the first time, look at the statistics. One in three people have cancer. One in three people have diabetes or prediabetes. Look at the rates of diseases. If you want to get that Darwin Award to become one of those statistics, go ahead and keep doing what the masses are doing.

Statistics are what the average person is doing. Go through that drive-thru, go eat that fried food. Definitely don't exercise. Stay up late, drink beer. Do what everyone else is doing, and you will become a statistic. Congratulations, there's your reward.

I can talk about that because I did it. I did all that, and I gave myself diabetes. Then I got to ungive myself diabetes and reverse it. I had five other medical issues that I resolved using lifestyle and natural medicine. I see that you can turn this quote-unquote diagnosis, this disease, on and off based on your choices. But you have to be a salmon, you have to swim upstream, you have to do the opposite of what the average person is doing. You are more likely to not become a statistic. Go to bed early and wake up early. Go for that run, jog, or walk. Drink plenty of water instead of coffee. By the way, if you drink plenty of water, you won't need coffee. You'll be on top of the world because reduced water intake leads to reduced energy production. Then we end up going for caffeine, alcohol, and sugar, which reduces our ability to produce energy even more. That keeps us on that vicious cycle of being addicted to these over-the-counter substances that are socially acceptable to be addicted to but that deteriorate our health even more.

I know I'm on my soapbox because this is one of my favorite topics, which I see is yours as well—helping people awaken to the fact that they have the power. The power is in their hands. But this starts with our thinking. It starts with that mental shift that you are in control. Yes, it's hard, but you can. There's a wonderful actress, and it's funny, her name is escaping me right now. She was in Taxi. She has red hair and a photographic memory. I met her twice. She's amazing. It's so funny I'm forgetting her name because she has a photographic memory.

She's red-haired, and she was in Taxi. She has this great speech about this: choose your hard. Sitting on the couch drinking your beer, you're choosing your hard. Your hard is giving yourself disease. Because if you're sitting there thinking, “I don't have enough energy to go for a walk,” Mitochondria produce more energy when they're stimulated by movement. If you go for that walk around the block, you'll actually be stimulating more energy, and you'll have more energy afterward. You might be fatigued from going for a walk, but if you do it every day, twice a day, for seven days, you're going to feel like a new person. It's also an antidepressant. So choose your hard. If your hard is getting your butt up and going for that walk, that's your hard. Choose your hard.

If you're choosing not to do healthy things and just go with the status quo, the hard you're choosing is the diabetes or heart disease that you're choosing. You’re choosing your hard. If it's too hard for you to shop organic or to source healthy food, then the hard you're choosing is disease. There's always a hard. Choose your hard, and it creates mental toughness. I'm in the middle of doing the 75 hard, and it is amazing. I highly recommend it. It's choosing a transformation.

So we talked about the mind shift. Now let's talk about, well, what can we do instead? How's your wife? Let's talk about this story. This opened this up for you. Seeing your wife's diagnosis opened this up for you, and you went down the road of how can we heal our bodies naturally? How can we take control and stop giving away our personal power to these industries that want to leech money out of us and keep us sick? So what happened? Tell us the story. What happened? How did you help your wife, and how is she now?

John Gusty (1:11:13.664)

Her situation is really complex because, unfortunately, for too much of her life, she was one of those people who trusted and listened. I do believe that a lot of what we are dealing with, even to this day, is damage caused mostly by pharmaceuticals. So we're having to go in on top of whatever was the original issue. We're dealing with a lot of damage caused by her not knowing better and just listening early on. It is breathtaking the amount of pharmaceuticals that were thrown at her.

I started to save all the prescriptions that we never went and filled. I had a stack of them. It didn't take long for me to realize and see the abusive relationship that she was in with the medical-industrial complex. What I did was whatever I could to help her out of that relationship. We got to the point where she wasn't taking any of their pharmaceuticals, she wasn't seeing any of their doctors, she wasn't eating any of their commercial corporate food, and she wasn't drinking any of their commercial corporate water.

Like you said—I love the whole “Choose your hard.” I think the hard that I chose was to go towards the simple and natural in everything.

I'm in the middle of writing a piece now, and it's called Are You a House Cat? I'll just give you a brief summary of what it's about because it kind of answers this whole thing in one, hopefully entertaining, little story.

Think about it. Let's use the example of a house cat. Do you know how many house cats there are in this world that have never been exposed to natural sunlight? The only sunlight they get is what's coming in through the windows, and the windows have UV coating on them, so they're not getting natural sunlight.

How many house cats have ever in their lives, had natural, living water? If they're a house cat, they're only drinking tap water or, at best—or worse—bottled water. How many house cats have never actually touched the ground? Those cute little pads on the bottom of their paws aren't for fashion purposes. Those are connection points, just like the bottoms of our feet or the bottoms of anything’s feet. They've never touched the ground because they've been in the house all their lives and have never actually gone and touched the grass or some actual wet ground.

So you've got situations where there are these animals that have never been exposed to natural light, never drank natural water, never touched natural ground, and, to top it all off, they're not eating food, they're eating feed. There's a difference.

A cat would be eating meat, cartilage, muscles, and soft bones. It would be eating squirrels, mice, or birds. It wouldn’t be eating corn-based cat chow.

Ashley James (1:15:15.591)

What they would be eating would be raw and have the probiotics in it. 

John Gusty (1:15:21.797)

So using that example of a house cat that's never had natural light, natural water, natural food, or touched the ground, if you can imagine that house cat situation, imagine how many humans are in that exact same situation. We've been taught that the sun is bad, so we wear sunglasses, and we tint our windows. We've been taught that the sun can give you cancer—that's a whole other topic, and we don't have to get into that. But people aren't exposed to natural light, they're not drinking natural water, and they're not consuming natural food.

We are walking human batteries. We are electrical beings. We have to discharge. We're holding charge all day long because we're like an antenna. We have to discharge, which is why anybody that's ever walked on a beach or stuck their feet in some water can almost feel their body just going, “Ah,” because you're discharging. You're gathering charge because of all the electronics and frequencies that exist in the airwaves around all of us at all times. Especially people living in really densely populated metropolitan areas are just in charge.

For us, really, we chose our hard, and our hard was going passionately towards the simple and the natural. Do you want vitamin D? There's this thing in the sky called the sun, and we try to be in it as much as possible. We have lots of ground, and we touch it all the time. When we do eat, we eat natural things in their natural form. I don't eat things that come out of packages.

I had a wise person tell me one time, before you shove something down your pie hole, take a look at the shape and the configuration. If you're about to put a triangle chip that is fluorescent orange, ask yourself, “Does that exist in nature?” Well, of course, it doesn't. So you probably shouldn't put it in your mouth because it's not natural.

That's helped a lot by what we didn't do, improve her situation probably more than anything. It's probably the reason why she's still alive today—we stopped with all pharmaceuticals and we didn't listen to the corporate narratives. We listened to the natural narratives.

When I say scientific, I know—that science is a discipline. Science is not a group of people. Science is no different than fidelity or honesty. It's a discipline, and there is a way to do something scientifically. So we run things through that metric: is it scientifically and biologically sound, what we're doing?

We just don't listen to the corporate narratives—for food, for medical, for anything. Really, not listening to them. Or, I think you've heard this probably a million times in a million different ways: if you want to know what to do, listen to what they're telling you to do and do exactly the opposite.

You will most certainly be better off for it each and every time. But in all seriousness, it was really what we didn’t do and what we stopped doing that started to turn things in a better direction for her.

Ashley James (1:19:32.756)

I love it and everything you said, though, because if someone's hearing this for the first time, you sound whack-job crazy because they're hearing it for the first time. But my listeners, this probably isn't the first time they've heard that we should get our bare feet out on grass and touch. We should actually be in contact with sunlight, direct sunlight, and be in contact with the ground every day because there's actual science behind it.

I have several interviews, one with a cardiologist, talking about the benefits of getting in touch with the earth. We release excess electrons that are stored artificially when we are constantly grounded by wearing shoes, being on carpeting, and being in a car. We are so far removed from our natural environment, and we think our artificial environment is our natural environment because we were raised in it.

It's like a lab rat trusting a lab more than it would a forest. We trust our artificially man-made environment, which is riddled with toxic things that are not healthy for us. When we look at EMF, we look at off-gassing. All our furniture, carpets, flooring, and paint are off-gassing for years. If you can't smell it—”Oh, I can't smell the paint anymore, so it's fine.” No.

The stuff in your house is off-gassing formaldehyde and many other chemicals, and you're breathing it in. If you can smell something, your liver is processing it. If you inhale and smell a scent, like when you go through a nail salon, you're smelling acetone.

Your liver, within 15 minutes, is having to break it down and having to process it. What you inhale through your nose, it's actually being absorbed into your bloodstream. So we have to understand that our artificial environment is hurting us. Like you said, the water we drink, the air we breathe inside our home, which is 10 times more pollution than being outside and in your downtown area, and then we've got mold. The list just goes on and on and on. We need to look at every aspect of our lives, become that detective. Choose the hard, but make it fun. It can actually be really fun to detoxify your life and question everything.  you said, question everything. In some cases, do the opposite of what they're telling you to do. 

John Gusty (1:22:18.518)

Well, I think you mentioned it earlier—the body does not know how to work against itself. All the body is doing is trying to recover from all the crap that we do to it and expose it to. So, again, if you move towards the simple and you move towards the natural—back to that house cat scenario.

I think most people that have cats, when their cat starts getting to be about 10 or 11 years old, they start thinking of their cat as old. Most people get 10 years or so out of a cat.

The cats that I have had—and I'm not a cat person; I'm definitely a dog person—but I have taken a few cats in my time, taken them out of bad situations, and brought them onto my property. They're indoor-outer. They come and go when they want to, and I'll tell you what—they're outside most of the time. They only come inside at night to sleep, and first thing when the sun's up, they're out.

What they're doing is laying in the grass and, interestingly enough, facing the sun. That early morning sun is super healthy, and animals know it—dogs know it, cats know it, cows know it, insects know it.

I haven't had a cat that hasn't made it. Well, the last cat I had made it to 24—nice—and probably would have kept going. But it was a cat that we had gotten from somewhere else, and if I'd had it since birth, I bet we could have been closing in on 30.

Ashley James (1:24:03.994)

So you started waking up when you were following your wife through her health journey and started making these changes. But now, this is what you're doing. You're helping awaken people to their body's ability to heal itself.

Tell us about it. Tell us, what is your message? What are you here to share? You've got a few websites we want to mention.

What do you do? Are you a consultant? Do people hire you? Or what are you to sell us?

John Gusty (1:24:42.000)

I'm not here to sell you anything. I am a content creator. I love to create content. I can do audio, video, and graphic design. I'm a writer, and that's just coming out of the entertainment industry. I just kind of became a jack of all trades because I got tired of waiting on creative departments to get stuff done, so I started learning the skills to do it myself.

I love to create content, and I think we have to choose your hard. I talked about that. I think we also have to choose our purpose, and I've come to realize that my purpose is to help continue the art of conversation. Especially in the past three, four years, there's been a lot of us that have been made to feel that we're not allowed to talk about certain things or say certain things, and there's massive worldwide peer pressure—social peer pressure. A lot of people are afraid to express things that they feel, but they don't want to be publicly shamed for feeling these things. If they just let it out, they'd realize there's millions of others that feel the exact same way.

That's why I think the whole worship of the state is very dangerous, because they prey on that dynamic. So I create content. With my wife's journey, I developed what's turned out to be a lifelong friendship, relationship, and business partnership with a gentleman by the name of Dr. Jeremy Ayers, who I believe you're going to be talking to, if my notes are correct.

Jeremy's over in the UK, and he is someone that I encountered. I was at a convention in Acapulco years ago and crossed paths, and we just had enough common ground that when you meet somebody, and it just clicks. Well, we just clicked. He fully invested himself in my wife's situation and has never let up. It's probably been 10 years now that we've been together as friends and business partners, and he has helped a lot of people deal with dis-ease.

A couple of years back, we started a company called Naturally Better. If you go to naturallybetter4u.com, and you can spell that however you want—however, I prefer the way Prince would have done it, with the number four and the letter u.com.

But naturallybetter4u.com, there's a little taste of our world and what we do. Earlier, you'd mentioned what are some things that you can do to take back some of the sovereignty and individuality. If you go to that page, there are a couple of downloads there, and one of them is the Naturally Better Red Pill Revolution Anti-Dependency Suggestion Guide.

I had a lot of fun putting this together, and it is chock full of things. My goal with this was to have even the most seasoned skeptic look at this and go, oh, I didn't know that, or oh, that's interesting, that's cool, I hadn't heard that one before. Hopefully there’s lots of that in this guide. It's just things that any of us can do in our everyday life to stop giving away our power, our attention, and our money. We are so much more powerful as individuals than a lot of us give ourselves credit for.

I think one of the biggest things that people need to hear—they need to hear other people say it, so I try to say it a lot—it is okay to say no. It's totally okay to say no. You can be tolerant of lots of things, but tolerance does not mean acceptance. There's lots of things that I'm tolerant of, but I will not accept them. I'm tolerant of hospitals, but you will never catch me in a hospital. Not even if you were in a car accident.

Ashley James (1:29:26.539)

Not even if you were in a car accident?

John Gusty (1:29:30.751)

Then I would have to be unconscious, and someone else would have to bring me in there.

Ashley James (1:29:34.087)

I mean, on one hand, I think that might be a little extreme because you might be putting yourself in danger if you have internal bleeding or broken bones, stuff like that. But on the other hand, there's a part of me that's, yes, I get it, because you increase your risk of other interventions. You get put on that conveyor belt, and it's harder to get off—MRSA and all the kinds of things that you can catch while you're at a hospital.

But also, I have watched hospitals kill my loved ones. It was the hospital that did it.

But at the same time, if you are internally bleeding, I'd want a surgeon to try to save your life. It's better than just accepting death. But that's just me.

John Gusty (1:30:23.132)

Yes, if that was the case, then I would hope that my conscious self or maybe, if I was unconscious, those around me that know me would hire the services of someone to do that. Maybe those services would be performed in a hospital, but they would be performed in a hospital that I'm paying cash for.

See, I think my biggest aversion to hospitals, and maybe this is new information to some of your listeners, is that when you enter a hospital, you're literally entering another legal jurisdiction, and you're giving up. You are literally giving up all of your rights. That's why you have to be discharged from the hospital. You are legally admitting that. You're admitting yourself into a hospital. So you are now there, you're in their care and their legal jurisdiction, and I will never give up. I will never give up the rights to me and my body and my decisions to anyone else. I would only enter a hospital if I had my legal ducks in a row and that the hospital was well aware of it before I even walked in through the front doors.

Ashley James (1:31:38.345)

More people need to know that I did an interview with, oh gosh, I'm forgetting his name, Grace's dad, Scott. Oh sorry, it's slipping into my brain, but it's Grace. If you google Learn True Health, or if you do an internet search or go to learntruehealth.com and search Grace, the hospital killed his daughter, and he has proof. He is now on a rampage to hold them accountable and to share this information because senior citizens and the disabled are far more likely to be killed by hospitals intentionally. I know that sounds crazy because it's like, who is out there killing grannies? It is proven.

John Gusty (1:32:34.949)

It's insurance company driven. You've already identified me to your audience as nutbag crazy, so why not continue in that direction? But I implore anyone to research this. The insurance companies—if you noticed during the nonsense of 2020 forward—the biggest casualty rate was in the older demographic. There is enough, and I'm sure that the gentleman you cited earlier, the Grace one, is aware of this too. The insurance companies—a very sound and logical case can be made—at least in part, used this event and have for a while now, although not as blatant as it's been lately, but have been using the hospital apparatus to see to it that the older demographic is killed off, if you will. They got paid because of the payouts.

Ashley James (1:33:47.445)

Yes, they got paid too. That's exactly what we talked about in episode 476. I looked it up—it's Scott Shara, episode 476 of Learn True Health Podcast. But that's not news to those who have had it done, who've seen it. You are so susceptible. Just like with pregnancy, you are more susceptible walking into a hospital than with a home birth. As long as there are no complications beforehand, you are more likely to have an intervention-free birth. But when you walk into a hospital in labor, one intervention is designed to lead to another, which is designed to lead to another, and it's all designed to make money for the hospital, not for the best outcome of the child.

We spend the most on health care—the United States spends the most on health care—and we have some of the worst outcomes. Tell me how that is still even acceptable. But you and I are pulling our hair out because we see the truth. We've run out of Plato's cave, and so many are still entertained by the shadows in Plato's cave and unwilling to come out and break their chains and come out.

John Gusty (1:34:59.136)

You know what, Ashley? I have confidence that our friends and family, if they just vote a little harder in November, all of this will get fixed. I'm sure of it. Don't you have hope? 

Ashley James (1:35:10.217)

Now I'm starting to see why anarchy is so appealing. Not from the standpoint of the mainstream anarchy. I don't believe in violence. I definitely believe in being vocal and standing. Vote with your fork, vote with your dollar, use your choices to vote with where you want.

So don't see an MD. See an ND, a naturopath, an old-school one, not one that's been trained in the last 15 years. Go find a 70-year-old naturopath, a 60-year-old naturopath. Find holistic doctors. Choose to set yourself up with, just as you would research and find the best plumber, the best mechanic. Find your holistic team that supports you and educates you. The root word for doctor is doceri, which means teacher. Your doctor is supposed to be your teacher, not the prescription pad holder. The word doctor doesn't mean drug dealer. It means teacher. When was the last time your MD sat down and educated you and taught you how to support your body's ability to heal itself? Well, that's why you're listening to this podcast.

I'm not a doctor, but I just play one on TV, so I love this conversation, and I know you and I could keep talking for hours about it. But what I want is to have the audience walk away with some actionable steps. It's like the movie They Live where you take the glasses, you put the glasses on, you see the aliens. That's basically it. You're going to walk around and start questioning everything.

I was raised watching TV in the 80s and the 90s and watching the commercials for fast food. If there's a commercial for the food you're eating, stop eating it. That's one thing. If they ever had to market something to you, stop doing it, stop buying it, stop eating it. I told my son, never, ever buy laundry detergents. If they have to spend money marketing something, never buy it. It's not healthy for you. There's no money in making you healthy and creating health things. So you have to, just for one, never buy something that they market to you.

But think about the marketing that made you feel so good and that got into your subconscious as a child—Tony the Tiger and all the sugary cereals we got marketed to. We walk down those aisles and we have a trust. We look at General Mills and we look at Nestle Quick. We look at all these companies and we trust them. Why? Because they pumped garbage into our heads since day one to trust them. We have to start to question the marketing that they used when we didn't have critical thinking. So it got past our critical thinking into our subconscious. Now we're walking around trusting the system, and we have to pull ourselves out. So you have to start questioning everything.

Don't eat or use products that are marketed to you. Broccoli doesn't need a commercial, so it's healthy. It passes.

Give us some actionable steps now. We've got naturallybetterforyou.com. You've got some great giveaways—the anti-dependency and post-vaccine detox protocol. I know a lot of people want to know about that because I have a lot of listeners who have shared with me they regret getting a few of the shots, and now they want to prevent whatever or help their body detox. When people come to me and ask, “What can I do? I just got this shot, what can I do to detox?” I'm like, “A time machine.” Because, as far as I know, that's the only way to prevent the destruction that we allowed to our bodies—or those people did, not me. I would never let them come at me. They would have to hold me down, kicking and screaming, which they actually did to several children and teenagers.

There are videos of teenagers kicking and screaming, and it's disgusting, and it's so sad. Then we want to just shut down, and we want to go back into our safe matrix. We want to go back into the matrix and stop questioning everything because it's too painful. It's too painful when you open your eyes to see the atrocities that are all around us. But we have to just move through it and go, “I have to choose, on a daily basis, everything that could support my body and the bodies of all my family, the ability to heal ourselves.”

That is everything you eat, breathe, wear, drive—everything. Every aspect of your life can be looked at, and you can make healthier choices.

Oh, you also have a Facebook group, the Red Pill Revolution Facebook group. I'm sure that would be interesting to go join. Tell us, what's some homework? Give us some advice on actionable steps we can take. I know you're not big into telling people what to do, but suggesting—giving some suggestions.

John Gusty (1:40:38.956)

No, I don't like telling people what to do, but I love sharing knowledge, especially knowledge that I know has worked for me, and if it has worked for me, then there's got to be at least somebody else out there that it would be helpful for. I would say this: two things. One, although it might sound strange at the moment, I would make it a goal to get to the point where you can someday walk into a grocery store and just be offended by what you're seeing. I'm not a prude or anything, and I don't spend time in adult bookstores, but you could put me in the raunchiest adult bookstore, and it still is not going to offend me as much as standing in your average grocery store and looking around at what is there. It's food porn—it's toxic food porn—and it's not even good. If it was good, that'd be one thing, but it's not. Then you see what people are putting in their carts. Look at the stuff, and I happen to think it is okay to be judgmental. It's human to be judgmental. We're judgmental all the time. You use good judgment, or you can use bad judgment, but being judgmental is a human quality. Look at the people that are pushing these carts that have soda hanging off the side and Little Debbie boxes and stuff, and take a look at the person pushing that cart. Again, it sounds a little rough, but usually, those two situations match up. The person pushing the cart full of crap usually looks like what you would think would be the result of putting all that garbage in you.

Get to the point where you can walk into your average store and just be offended. This is probably one of the biggest things that shaped the way that I live, is to pick something—something easy. I think I've said it in the past. An easy thing would be eggs. Pick one thing. Let's use eggs as the example and just say, from this day forward, I am never going to purchase eggs from any store ever again. I mean eggs, regardless of where you live. You live around somebody who's doing chickens, and it's not that hard to find.

So go and find the best eggs that you can find and pay attention to not just the eggs or how they're packaged or how cute the little shop is that you're buying them from. Go even further than that. What were the chickens eating? What were they raised on? Where are those chickens? What does the farm look like? Who are the farmers? Start really going to the source on things—produce, meat, eggs. When you do that, you absolutely will end up with a better, healthier product that you are exposing yourself and your body to.

But the big thing is you are going to start forming relationships with the producers, the people who are doing the work, who are growing the food or raising the animals or making the soaps or baking the breads. You have a chance to go and ask them questions. Well, what are you using, or how are you doing that? You can get to the point where you are 100% confident. These eggs that I'm eating, I know where they came from, and I know that they are nourishing my body. There's no chemical. You know because you've gone and you've taken the time, you've chosen your path, and you've made those relationships. Those relationships, I'm telling you now—I don't buy eggs anymore. I go see my friends. Buying the eggs is just a secondary part of the trip. I go see my friends, I go to their beautiful farm, I see their children, and I pet their animals. You could just go into a Kroger and buy a pack of crappy eggs that are going to hurt you. Would you rather do that, or would you rather have this? 

It's such a much more enriching experience. Buying eggs for me anymore turns into going to a beautiful farm and seeing these people that I love very much, that I've known for years, who have become family to me and I to them. What started out as an egg purchase has turned into just so much more in my life—new people, new friends, new family, new knowledge that I have. Just through the people that I buy my eggs from, I learned about beekeeping, which I had no knowledge of before, but they also have hives, and so I got to watch that process. Now I know that, and I would have never known about beekeeping had I not been purchasing my eggs from these people. You see what I'm saying? It's the gift that just keeps giving.

At some point, whether it's a natural occurrence or whether our friends at the state do it on purpose, at some point those electronic devices that we all love so much and those little plastic cards that we have in our wallets—because nobody uses cash anymore—those things aren't going to work. It’s not going to take a natural disaster. It’s not going to take much; it's just going to take the systems going down, or what if they get intentionally shut off and you can't go get your crappy eggs from your crappy store or your crappy meat from your crappy store? What if you can't do that? I'll never have that problem because I know where my eggs are coming from, and the farm never closes.

Ashley James (1:47:02.971)

Exactly, and you've got those relationships. That's smart. It's smart. You don't have to build an underground bunker. I mean, you can if you want. You don't have to become a prepper. Just start building a community and stop relying so heavily on a system that is very vulnerable. Our our food system can break so easily, and we've seen it teeter a few times. All it takes is a strike—the truckers stop trucking.

I've seen this in Canada twice. I'm originally from Canada. I live in the States now, but I've seen it twice in Canada in recent years where the ATM machines stopped working for a day. You could not use your card, you could not take money out, could not use your card for a day. There was a big system blackout or whatever. Americans aren’t really tuned in to what happens in other countries.You guys may not know but there's been a huge movement in Canada in the last year and a half where millions of Canadians went to Quebec, the capital of Canada, and were protesting—very calmly protesting. There were children. They brought bouncy houses. It was the coolest thing. Who brings bouncy houses to a protest? Canadians do. I was so proud of Canada.

There were millions of people. There were over 100,000 truckers there. They brought all their trucks. They completely clogged up all of Ottawa. It was because the Canadian government was forcing vaccines on truckers. Truckers aren't ever around anyone. Even if you believed for a moment that these vaccines could prevent the spread of COVID—which we knew the whole time, those of us who were aware of this information, and I have amazing guests including PhDs, research scientists, and doctors who were all screaming from the rooftops and were being shot down and silenced. They were saying, “This is unproven, unsafe, and will not prevent the spread of covid and we’re saying it. We know now it’s true—the devastation is true, unfortunately. For the last four years, we were shut down and silenced for spreading the truth. The truckers and many Canadians stood up and said it's not fair that you force this upon us, it's not fair that you force this upon the truckers. There was this massive shutdown in Canada because Canada was protesting.

John Gusty (1:49:59.410)

What the banks did in fixing the money?

Ashley James (1:50:03.978)

This is exactly what I'm getting to. Trudeau, the Prime Minister, actually, at one point, he's on camera saying, “I know I'm going against the Canadian constitution, and I don't care.” He shut down. There are moms who donated. If you donated any money, it wasn't just shutting down the banks of the people who protested. If you were a mom who had a mortgage to pay—say, a single mom with four kids, had a mortgage to pay, donated $50 to one of the truckers for food or gas or whatever, just because she believed in the cause—her bank account and everything was frozen.

This was thousands and thousands of Canadians who had their bank accounts just frozen overnight for donating to a good cause or for saying something on social media that showed they supported this. This is just what's happening with China. If you think it's never going to happen here, I want to say something so lovingly to you: please pull your head out of the sand.

We can't blindly just trust. We see it in other countries happening, and it is coming our way. The only way it doesn't is if we stand up and fight. But we have to be awake enough to stand up and fight.

So I love your idea of making sure that you have set up relationships that support you. I have naturopaths that, if I needed to go see them or text them or contact them, I don't have to just jump on an antibiotic at the first sign of an infection. I've got herbs and homeopathy. I've got a network of homeopaths, herbalists, acupuncturists, and naturopaths, and my system is set up there.

I love that you set up your food system so you have relationships with people that grow food. So in the event of anything, you have a network. You're not just going to be completely reliant on the local grocery store that could lose their food supply for many reasons. It's a very fragile system.

John Gusty (1:52:10.298)

Yes, I think again you kind of get back to that whole concept. I keep pushing about being in an abusive relationship. I went through the entire nonsense of 2020 and forward, and I just kept doing whatever it was that I was doing. My life literally didn't change one bit. I kept a smile on my face, and I went wherever I would normally have gone. I did whatever I normally would have done.

Interestingly enough, it probably was because I kept a smile on my face and I wasn't out looking for confrontation either, but to this day, I've never worn a mask. I certainly didn't get the MAGA jab or any of the Brandon boosters. I didn't play into any of that nonsense because I'm not part of that religion. So, in my mind, it didn't apply to me, and I just went on about my business.

I don't have any Karen stories to tell you. I had one person, one time, ask me if I would put on a mask, and I just said, “No, thank you.”

Ashley James (1:53:21.198)

Well, I think you lived in a state in which that was much more easy. I lived in Washington. Washington and New York, I think, were among the worst. It was pretty crazy.

John Gusty (1:53:33.126)

I'm in Tennessee—in Middle Tennessee, so I'm outside the Nashville area. Nashville's a big city like any other place, and if you went into Nashville, you noticed people masking and social distancing and all, but Nashville's real easy to get out of, and so, you go 20 minutes in any direction, and you're in the wide open spaces, and this is just a simple thought, and maybe it's something, it's kind of a little nugget that I've carried with me since then. 

Every single time that I looked around and watched how the humans were behaving, the staying six feet apart and wearing their face diapers and getting all jabbed up and everything, the birds kept being birds, the dogs and cats kept being dogs and cats, cows, everything, trees, everything else carried on as if just another day. Because what? It was just another day. It was all that. What we witnessed was proof positive of one, how powerful fear is and, two, just how easily herded some human beings can be, because it was very visual. You could see the people who were being compliant.

I was in a Home Depot during the middle of this, and they had these big plexiglass barriers between the cashier and you, but there's a big hole in the middle of it so you could use the card machine. The lady that was ringing me up had two masks on, so she was real serious about this, and I asked her, I was joking, but I didn't think she caught the joke until after I tapped on the plastic thing and I said, “Hey, I said these are kind of handy. Do you guys sell these?” She goes, “No, why would you want one of those?” I said, “Oh, well, for fleas, flea control, flea and pest control.” She goes, “They're going to climb over the top of it,” and I went, “Exactly,” 

I was trying to be sarcastic and jabber in a lighthearted way, but she answered it for herself, but I don't know that it ever connected. I don't know. Anyways, but we saw it. It was visual, and so it's again, going back, if I could leave the listener with anything, it's do your best to go back to this, try to get back to simple and natural, and you're going to find a lot of truth there, and you're going to find a lot of effectiveness there, and you're also going to find a lot of safety there, because most of the things that cause human beings harm or peril are toxic, man made things, and I've never heard of anyone dying of broccoli.

Ashley James (1:57:00.851)

Being offended by grocery stores, a good friend of mine texted me a few months ago, just angry, just livid, because she got it. She woke up in that grocery store that day and had that epiphany and was just pissed off. She was shopping for her kids and everything has sugar and artificial dye, everything is laced with MSG, everything has dairy, and she's just going down the list.

When I say dairy, there's a big difference between getting raw milk from your neighbor's cow and what they process with the pasteurized process, homogenized, powdered, all that stuff. I'm sorry, but there's a certain percentage of people that can handle cow dairy or goat dairy, if it's from your own goat that you love so much and you raised and you have a great relationship with that goat and you want to drink its milk and you find you're healthier for it, then do it, go ahead. But thinking that the dairy you're drinking and getting from your grocery store is healthy, it's not healthy for the cow, it's not healthy for the environment, it's definitely not healthy for you. It's so disgustingly processed. 

I have whole episodes. I actually have two whole episodes on that subject alone, but I can get off on so many tangents. She was livid by all of the chemical crap in the food. Most food in the grocery store is not food.

It was Mary Lou Henner, by the way, who said, “Choose your heart.” I'm sure you could find a YouTube video of her if you type “Choose your heart” and Mary Lou Henner. She gives a great, great talk on that. So she got angry and she texted me. She goes, “How do you do it? I am livid, how do you do it?” I'm like, yes, I get it.

You have to shop the perimeter of the grocery store. If you're going to be in grocery stores. I actually shop around to a lot of different, more natural stores. I also order a box from farms that gets delivered straight to me. So that's fun too. But shop the perimeter of the grocery store. Don't go down the aisles. Don't buy processed food. If you want to have bread, make your own. That's a big fad now. If you want to, I make my own yogurt with cashew. I make a cultured cashew. If I want yogurt, you get interested in making your own products. Think about the pioneers. They had to make literally everything, and it would be great if we started developing our own skills to be able to do more for ourselves instead of relying on a manufacturer to make the lowest quality product. Eating at restaurants is another thing.

Restaurants choose the lowest quality ingredient. They're paying the least amount that they can pay and it's not healthy at all. It's designed to taste good and jack up your dopamine. It's a drug. It's  going into an opium den. 

John Gusty (2:00:22.167)

Regardless of what restaurant you eat at, with very few exceptions, it all comes off of a Cisco truck. All of it. 

It doesn't matter whether you're at restaurant A or restaurant B, all that stuff came off of a Cisco truck. Speaking of gross, you were talking about pasteurized dairy. I heard somebody one time refer to once milk that you buy in the stores. Pasteurized, some of it's ultra-pasteurized. At that point, when pasteurization is just not enough, ultra-pasteurization. But you get to that point and it's just pus and mucus. I was never a big dairy guy anyways, but that's all I needed to hear is… hmm, yes, pus and mucus. Well, enjoy that and enjoy your nice tall glass of pus and mucus. Oh, thank you, Louis Pasteur, you just gave us so many gifts.

Ashley James (2:01:22.776)

Well, the industry ran with it, of course, because if they can shelf-stabilize something and make it last longer, of course killing all of the healthy microbes in the process, they're all for it because it makes them money. So we have to question everything, and that's the takeaway. Question everything. Do the opposite of what everyone else is doing. You'll probably end up living much longer and much healthier.

John Gusty (2:01:50.275)

It is okay to do that because I'll give people under 30 a break. But if you're over 30 years old, none of us have ever lived a day. We've never spent one day of our lives when we haven't known. We were literally born into the meme that we know corporations and politicians are dishonest, self-serving, and profit-driven. We've known that. The dishonest politician and the profiteering corporation, those are memes. Again, we were born into that, so we know it. We know it instinctively. Why do we continue to not just trust them, but we let them nourish us, we let them medicate us? We've turned over. I'm even against the term healthcare. 

Ashley James (2:02:47.298)

Oh yes. That's the marketing  there. 

John Gusty (2:02:50.634)

You know what healthcare is, being alive. Do you think a bird wakes up in the morning and thinks about its healthcare? Its healthcare is staying alive that day. Stay alive, get some water, get some food and stay alive—that's healthcare and it's that simple. Get some water. Make sure it's good water and doesn't come out of a tap or a bottle. Make sure it's good living water. Get some good living food and stay alive. You do those two things. Chances are you'll stay alive

Ashley James (2:03:28.786)

Thank you so much for coming on the show. So many directions. We could do this for hours and I have a lot of interviews that touch on these different topics, going down these different rabbit holes. So listeners can definitely keep listening to the episodes but also plug into John and go to his Facebook group. I find it ironic that you have a Facebook group.

John Gusty (2:03:53.792)

I don't. To be perfectly honest with you, I lead a Zuckerberg free life. 

Ashley James (2:04:01.398)

Oh, you don't. So who runs your group? 

John Gusty (2:04:04.274)

Well, we have a team, the Red Pill and the Naturally Better team. There are those that jump in that cesspool because there are still people that exist in that cesspool that are truly looking for good information. 

Ashley James (2:04:23.750)

Yes, exactly. It's okay to use the system as long as you understand. The system is evil, corrupt, and out to suck your money from you and your life force. Great, so listeners could go to theredpillrevolution.com or naturallybetter4you.com and check it out. Thank you for this fun conversation, in which I hope everyone remembered their tinfoil hat. I know I certainly did, and I say that jokingly.

2005 was when I learned about Codex Alimentarius, and that kind of sent me down this rabbit hole. In 2008, I learned about 9/11 and fluoride and kept going down the road, and then GMO, and it just kept going deeper and deeper. So, almost 20 years now, I've been awakening to the atrocities and the toxicity around us, and I see that this system is designed to suppress us, keep us sick, and keep us cattle, and I am not a cattle. I rage against that, and I hope you do too. I hope you become the salmon swimming against the cattle, and that you look into how to make every aspect of your life healthy and maintain your anonymity. So that's what we're going for. Yes, creating those communities to support each other, which I think is a good suggestion.

John Gusty (2:06:10.974)

Thank you. Thank you, and next time we talk we can dive into—I think tinfoil is a conspiracy because I've never seen it on the shelf. I've only ever seen aluminum foil. I've never seen tinfoil on the shelf.

Ashley James (2:06:29.538)

Awesome, John. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. This has been fun. 

John Gusty (2:06:32.357)

Ashley, thank you so much. This has been fun. You run a tight ship and I love your show and I hope something in all of this was helpful to your listeners, and I'm just super proud to be a part of it. 

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