539: Documentary Examines Hidden Pandemic Failures

In this episode, Ashley James interviews Dr. Brian Hooker and Polly Tommey to expose the devastating impact of COVID-19 vaccine injuries, the suppression of medical truth, and the widespread corruption behind hospital protocols, while urging listeners to seek informed consent and explore the powerful stories featured in the Vaxxed documentary series.

Highlights:

• Dr. Brian Hooker stated that 25% of participants in the Moderna clinical trial reported severe adverse events.
• Children and teenagers, especially young males, showed a sharp increase in myocarditis after receiving COVID vaccines, with a 50% five-year mortality rate for those diagnosed.
• VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) captures only about 1% of vaccine injuries, with 30% of the most severe reports censored.
• The documentary reveals consistent testimonies across hospitals that unvaccinated patients were mistreated, restrained, and denied water and food.
• Hospitals profited from administering Remdesivir despite known organ-damaging effects and its failure in previous trials, especially for Ebola.
• Polly Tommey recounted stories from vaccine-injured individuals and grieving families, highlighting that many injuries and deaths followed COVID shots or hospital protocols.
• Pfizer wanted its vaccine data sealed for 76 years; within three months, 1,223 post-vaccine deaths were reported, exceeding the threshold that led to previous vaccine recalls.
• Dr. Hooker emphasized that the MMR vaccine has been linked to autism, especially in African-American boys vaccinated before age 3.
• The Children's Health Defense team observed increasing cases of children with severe brain injuries and disabilities, beyond typical autism diagnoses.
• Ashley and Polly urged listeners to research vaccine ingredients, understand the risks, and watch the Vaxxed documentaries available for free at chd.tv.

Intro:

Hello True Health Seeker and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health Podcast. This episode for me was more intense than other episodes that I published because of the message—I so desperately want the world to hear this. So keep an open mind. Please share this with your loved ones. This information needs to get out there so we do not repeat the mistakes of our past. We dive down some really uncomfortable truths, some whistleblower information, expose some blatant lies that we've been told in the last five years in the media. I think it's so important that we know the complete story, that we know the full truth. 

In the interview, because I completed this interview before the new year, I will say the last four years. You'll hear me say that a few times, and when I say that, what I mean is during the active COVID pandemic. It is now 2025. So it's technically in a month. It's going to be five years since the COVID pandemic we were actively involved in.

It's funny, though. I had almost an amnesia when it came to identifying—has it been four years, has it been three years, has it been five years? I think we all feel a little off-kilter because we all have this PTSD around the last few years of wanting to just move on and not wanting to remember how much fear we were being fed, how much concern we had for our loved ones, and how many families were divided. I certainly know many of my friends and family have, sadly, possibly permanent damage to their relationships, in their friend circles and their family, because the decision to get a brand-new vaccine that was largely untested, divided the nation, divided the people.

Now that we have the full data, we can look back and we can see—did we make the right choice? Who is suffering now for making the wrong choice? I ask that you hold those people in your life who are injured now from making the wrong choice—just hold them in love. This isn't “I told you so” because we didn't want this on anyone. But I hope that those who were angry at us for choosing not to partake in the national experiment can let go of their hate and anger, and that we can have love in our relationships again. We can all agree that it was a time when we all thought we were making the best choices for ourselves based on the information we had, and that it's okay that we possibly made different choices. It's okay because again we were making the best choices we could with the information we had.

So today's interview—it's wonderful information. My jaw was on the floor. I know your jaw will be on the floor too. So, just again, keep an open mind and listen. Please, by all means, research this information yourself. I never ask anyone to blindly believe anything they learn anywhere on my podcast or anywhere. We should always dive in deeper. Wherever you get your information from, just make sure that the organization that's putting it out doesn't have an ulterior motive, isn't funded. For example, the CDC profits from the sale of certain vaccines that they've created. How can we trust an organization that profits from something to tell us it's safe? Isn't that bonkers?

If you go down that rabbit hole—because I did at first—Google is going to deny it, tell you no, no, no, the CDC does not profit from this at all. You're wrong. It's a conspiracy theory. It's anti-vaxxer rhetoric.

If you dig a little deeper, just spend 10 more minutes diving deeper. You'll find that, yes, there are royalties, there are gifts, there's certain funding, and we just have to remember that there's cover-ups, there's whistleblowers, there's people coming out of the CDC saying that it's trying to protect its own hide, that the people, the scientists, have made some unfortunate choices to withhold safety information to protect their jobs, maybe to protect the royalties they're earning. So people within the CDC earn up to $150,000 a year in royalties from the vaccines that they license. So there's license fees. So there's lots of shenanigans going on. You have to look deeper, question everything. Shouldn't we question everything? Is there really a time when we should just blindly allow a company or an agency to dictate our health choices? Let's take a step back. 

This reminds me of when my friend had cancer and we watched the original The Truth About Cancer series. If you haven't heard of it, totally recommend watching it. It's a seven- or nine-day. They've done several. They've done three or four seasons of this, where it's seven to nine hours a season. So think of nine hours of watching whistleblower after doctor after expert talk about how they've helped people to heal their cancer naturally, and you also hear from cancer survivors who talk about it and everyone says, the moment you get this diagnosis, the hospital system will try to rush you as quickly as they can to get that port put in, to get that surgery, to get that chemo, to get that radiation. You're on this conveyor belt that's going a million miles an hour and there's no time. They don't want you to have any time to stop and think or take a breath or get a second opinion. I watched this documentary series and they said this so many times. So many different people said this.

This was when my friend was newly diagnosed and then I went with her to her appointments and everything they said happened. Every single oncologist she met with—and she chose to meet with three different oncologists from three different organizations. If you get a second opinion, you never go to the same clinic or the same group. If it's a university that has a bunch of clinics, you don't go to just a different clinic. You have to go outside of the organization or hospital system, finding three separate people in three separate organizations or independent doctors, and everyone did the same thing. They tried to, “Okay, we're going to get you in on Tuesday, by Thursday we're going to have your breast cut off, and by next Sunday we're going to have radiation.” It was just boom, boom, boom.

We would always ask, “Is it okay? Wait, hold on. Can we just take a moment? Can we pause? What's the harm in waiting a week and thinking about it and making a plan?” You'd see the frustration on the oncologist's face. It was a sales tactic. It's a disgusting sales tactic. It's not saving lives to rush someone immediately in for chemo. Waiting one week isn't going to make the difference between life and death, and allowing them to breathe, process, get some second opinions and research. 

God forbid. If we all researched this information, we would begin to see the wizard behind the curtain. We'd begin to see the flaws in the system. This is just how I feel. The last five years is this concept—just rushing us through. 

Well, this vaccine wasn't tested. Then the way they did the hospital, the way the hospital protocols were and everything was designed to keep us in fight or flight. Keep us not learning, not researching, not questioning. Then if we did question, we were attacked. We were attacked verbally, emotionally, and ostracized. It was all very weird. It felt like a psyop.

So my feeling is we need to learn from the last five years before we put it to bed. We need to fully learn from it or else we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of our past. So this interview was very cathartic for me, hopefully for you, it will be incredibly cathartic and will allow you to process the last five years but between 2020 and 2024, let's say—will allow you to process it.

Although this is an evergreen content—you might be listening to this 10 years from now and be, “Oh , I remember that back in 2020.” Here's the thing. Even if you weren't fully immersed in the craziness, like I was, and many of us were, we have to learn from it. So take this information in. Definitely watch the documentary that we're talking about. Check out the information. Even if you wholeheartedly do not believe anything, it's still worth taking in the information.

I have a friend who's on the opposite side of the political spectrum than I am, and we've agreed that instead of just putting up our talons and just the second we disagree, the media wants us to fight. Instead, we try to understand the other person's perspective without trying to change their mind. I don't think I'll change her mind. She's definitely not going to change my mind, but I'd like to have an understanding of where she's coming from and be able to put myself in her shoes and see it through her eyes. Because if we could at least do that, as a Christian, if I can understand a Muslim's thinking, a Jew's thinking, a Buddhist's thinking—if I can understand their world, I'm not going to change my conviction. But at least I won't have the ignorance to mistreat them, to misunderstand them. At least I can fully embrace them. 

So take this information, whether you agree with it or not, it's a beautiful thought exercise and a heart exercise in expanding your ability to understand those around you.

If you take anything away from this that has helped you, please share with me. Come to the Learn True Health Facebook group and share with me, or you can email me: support@learntruehealth.com. I'd love to hear from you. Thank you so much for being a listener, and really thank you so much for sharing this episode. If enough of us learn from the past, we will not repeat it. Have yourself a fantastic rest of your day.

Welcome to the Learn True Health Podcast. I'm your host, Ashley James. This is episode 539.

Ashley James (0:12:38.263)

I am so excited for today's guests. We have on the show with us Dr. Brian Hooker and, back on the show, Polly Tommy. Thank you for coming back. You were in episode 403.

Before we get into it, I want to let listeners know I have a list of episodes that are worth checking out that relate to what we're going to talk about today. Back in 2020, when the craziness started, when we were being lied to from every direction, from every agency, I began interviewing people about what was going on and the documentary we're going to talk about today. I'm going to get emotional because it was so good.

You guys did such a good job and everyone needs to see this documentary. Every single person needs to watch your documentary. I can't believe I learned things watching it. I was actually really surprised because I followed this really closely.

Being in the holistic health space, I followed just the travesty and the lies and the corruption from the media and from the government and from everything you covered in your documentary. I can't believe how much I learned from your documentary, but so much that I know what I felt happened in the documentary is I felt heard.

I felt that people will feel heard and people won't feel so alone because so many people were isolated and felt they were—this is normal—or they're an outlier. And they weren't. We were all being poisoned or lied to. So many of us lost our loved ones because of the lies.

So your documentary uncovers it in a beautiful way that I think is very cathartic. But also, if we do not pull our heads out of the sand, we do not learn from the last four years, we are doomed to continue to repeat the travesties because these organizations will continue to repeat what they did. So we have to educate ourselves.

There were people that you interviewed in the documentary that actually recognized that and that got out in time and they survived. I love that you covered what you covered. I had Dr. Judy Mikovitz on the show, episode 436, Dr. David Brownstein, episode 462. Scott Shigara, which was amazing. I love that he was in your documentary. He came on and told his whole story—very detailed story—episode 479. Dr. Jane Ruby, episode 468. Dr. Richard Fleming, which is definitely a must-listen-to, episode 463.

A lot of us have PTSD. Think everyone actually, as a nation, has had PTSD from the last four years. A lot of us just want to, now that we're back to quote-unquote normal, we just want to forget that it happened. But doing so, we will be doomed to repeat it.

That's why we have to watch your documentary and we have to learn from the last four years. Thank you so much for coming on the show.

Polly Tommey (0:15:48.027)

Thank you for having us.

Ashley James (0:15:51.033)

Absolutely. My friend, by the way, she was on your bus the very first time you did the very first Vaxxed documentary—Leah. I don't know if you remember. She was very, very, very pregnant. Very pregnant woman named Leah. She told me to say hi to you.

I've watched all three of your Vaxxed documentaries and all three are very different and very worth watching. You go deep and you cover the people's stories.

It says on your poster, “Embark on a journey to discover the truth.” That's what I feel we did, especially in this last one.

Tell us about the journey of going on the road and covering the truth. You, me, saw the travesties, but what sparked you guys to want to go out and begin filming again?

Polly Tommey (0:16:43.969)

Well, at Children's Health Defense, during the pandemic, our job is to break down the news and bring the truth to the people, because we all know mainstream media news really does not tell you the truth. So we were watching what was happening and we were being told that the COVID shots were safe and effective, that Remdesivir was amazing. We were also watching on social media reports of people falling down, just dying suddenly. Nothing added up. Especially when they started saying that the unvaccinated were the problem, the pandemic of the unvaccinated, that the unvaccinated were killing granny and clogging up the hospitals. We knew the only way to find the truth of what really happened was to get back out on the road and see for ourselves, because we saw that from the last bus.

That's how we learned that there is no such thing as a safe and effective vaccine. The people told us. So we knew again, the people would tell us the truth and indeed they did. So that was the inspiration behind it. We're so grateful to Children's Health Defense for funding a bus and it was not cheap for us to go out. I mean, that big bus, that 42-foot bus, that cost a lot of money in gas. But the people donated and they carried us around just like they did the last time. It's what I call a God's thing for sure.

Ashley James (0:18:07.311)

I prayed before this interview because I was just standing in my kitchen crying, thinking about your documentary. I don't know how I'm going to do this interview. It's not me. I asked God, please guide me because I have to. It's so important. This interview is so important because we have to first of all honor those people who were killed, not by COVID. I know very few people, very few people, passed away from COVID. People died because of the hospital, what they were doing in the hospitals.

I love that you guys so, you so well laid that out in the documentary, what they did in the hospitals. Also, I know so many people, I lost a best friend. She had a stroke so bad after she got the shot and she was my maid of honor at my wedding and I lost her. I'm sorry.

I want to honor these people and I want to honor the families that are listening. So I just prayed, please God guide me in this interview because we have to get this information out there to honor those people. I just made a friend recently and I know she's listening to this episode and her daughter listened. She believed everything the medical doctor said. She believed everything because why wouldn't you?

We trust these organizations and she took her daughter and got the shot and her daughter spent a month in the hospital having seizures, having these crazy symptoms and the hospital never once said it was a vaccine injury. I had to point it out. This is a vaccine injury. She gets the shot and immediately develops. She has seizures so bad, so scary.

She's still to this day affected. That's just one child. Think about all the children who are having these horrible, possibly for the rest of their life, symptoms and all the children that died. Heart disease and children. I haven't even let you talk, Dr. Brian Hooker. Tell us about the statistics after these children and these young adults and teenagers started to get the COVID shots.

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:20:29.187)

Well, it's absolutely incredible. Now that you mention it, one of the things that we get to do at Children's Health Defense is to encounter whistleblowers and anonymous informants, and we are fortunate to have several informants that have been following these clinical trials that are really still ongoing, even though the Pfizer vaccine was approved and then also approved under emergency use authorization. The Moderna vaccine, same thing.

But it turns out that one in four individuals that were in the Moderna clinical trial have experienced and reported a severe adverse event. So that's fully twenty-five percent of the population has shown a severe adverse event to that particular vaccine. It's not me just saying that it's actually the clinical records that bear out that show this is not rare. We were lied to. We were told that the vaccine was safe, that it was effective, and it's neither. 

So when you look at the incidents increasing, especially adolescent males that got the COVID shot, were twenty-five times more likely to be diagnosed with myocarditis. Myocarditis is not a benign illness. It seemed the powers that be, as soon as this fact came out about the shots causing myocarditis, they started to try to normalize it. But the mortality for those patients who are diagnosed with myocarditis—is 50% within five years. So that basically means that your odds of living five years after a myocarditis diagnosis is about half, about 50%.

Ashley James (0:22:34.571)

Okay, so wait, let's back up. If a thousand young men, I've heard as early as age six. So, taking your kindergartener or first grader in for a COVID shot and then all the way up to teenage years. So, okay, we're taking young men. So let's say we take a thousand young men in for the shot. How many out of that thousand develop myocarditis?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:23:03.907)

The numbers are not firm for myocarditis, but out of that 1,000, at least 40 will have some type of cardiac damage.

Ashley James (0:23:17.579)

So if it's 40 people with myocarditis, 20 of them are going to die in the next five years.

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:23:27.409)

20 will die in the next five years, absolutely. We're talking about very, very strong significant effects that are being dismissed. Deaths—if you look at the databases that report deaths in the United States, the CDC has what's called the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. 

There have been over 20,000 deaths that are reported. We know that that database is probably about 1% reporting. There have been other estimates in the United States of upwards to a million individuals dying because they got the COVID shot.

Ashley James (0:24:09.421)

There's people listening that have never heard of VAERS. Can you, can we just, really think it's important that we make sure we understand this point. So explain exactly what it is. So someone comes into their doctor's office and they get any vaccine? So a flu shot, some booster or the COVID shot. They experience an adverse event. What does it look like? Like, my arm hurt for a few days. What is an adverse event that people would then go to this reporting agency and just explain it for those who've never heard of VAERS?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:24:50.607)

Sure. It could be a mild adverse event, a shoulder injury—that happens quite often, to anything to death. So there's really a whole gamut of types of injuries that are reported on VAERS.

In a perfect world—the practitioner, once they diagnose a vaccine injury, is supposed to report to VAERS directly. File a report; it takes about 30 minutes for them to file an online report to VAERS. Then the VAERS personnel will follow up.

Most practitioners won't do that. My son sustained a vaccine injury, and our practitioner refused to submit a VAERS report. So we ended up doing it ourselves—the parents of the injured party.

So few practitioners actually use that system that about 1% of all vaccine injuries are captured in that system. For every reported injury, you can pretty much confidently predict that there's 100 more compared to that one report.

Ashley James (0:26:09.343)

So the important point is that only 1% of people report. Why is that? Now if a doctor were to take the time, and we know doctors don't have time, they barely see you for 15 minutes. In order for their practice to be profitable, they have to have their books full of appointments one after the other. The nurses handle the dirty work, injecting people with stuff or drawing blood. The doctor just comes in afterwards and comes and goes in less than 15 minutes and then has to go to this next appointment.

So it's really just a factory farm. The doctor hardly gets to know you as a person. They barely look up from your file or their prescription pad. How long does it take a doctor to fill out? One of my friends’ he was just over a year old, was walking, he was making eye contact. He was a healthy boy who was just coming into that toddler age of walking, and came into his wellness check. I am making air quotes, and got injected with what they inject children. This is back in 2008. So, not the COVID shot. He stopped making eye contact, stopped walking. He stopped. He just reverted back to, in terms of developmental, a leap of a three-month-old. Couldn't sit up anymore.

So that, would you say is an adverse event? You can clearly see that now he's not having seizures that they can tell, he's not having anything outward, but he went from walking and making eye contact to now he's a floppy baby. There's something wrong. Would you say that that's something that they'd report to VAERS?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:28:02.431)

Yes, that would be appropriate to report to VAERS directly.

Ashley James (0:28:06.837)

Okay, and how long does it take a doctor to sit down and fill out the form online to report to VAERS?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:28:12.373)

Approximately 30 minutes, but if they've vaccinated over 20 individuals, then they could have as many as three or four VAERS reports at the end of the day that they need to file if they're actually doing their jobs.

Ashley James (0:28:27.579)

That's unfathomable. So a pediatrician just does not have the capacity to sit down and report to VAERS all of the adverse vaccine events that occur. Now, you said you sat down, that because you're a doctor or can parents sit down and report to VAERS on their own?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:28:47.585)

Parents can report to VAERS directly on their own. In fact, we've talked to many COVID-19 vaccine injury survivors who have reported to VAERS on their own. There was such an overwhelming amount of individuals that were filing VAERS reports that it actually got backlogged. Now we're seeing the phenomenon that people will file a VAERS report and then all of a sudden their report will disappear online. It will never make the light of day. 

Ashley James (0:29:17.667)

Who runs the VAERS?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:29:19.343)

The Centers for Disease Control in the United States runs VAERS and has a whole division that is associated with not only tabulating, taking the vaccine injury data, but then surveilling VAERS to make sure that vaccines are “safe and effective”.

Ashley James (0:29:39.479)

Tell me about how you've seen the reports dropping off VAERS. Is it because the CDC is doing their job just cleaning up bogus ones, or are they sweeping this under the rug and trying to cover up how dangerous the COVID vaccine is?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:29:56.015)

I really believe it's the latter, that they're covering up the dangers associated with a COVID-19 shot. Because if you look at it, we've done audits of the VAERS system along with an organization called React 19, and what we'll find is that the proportion of severe adverse events that never make the light of day on VAERS—people will submit the report, they get a temporary ID. Then when their report never sees the light of day, it's not the minor reports that aren't being shared with the public. It's the debilitating paralysis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, Bell's palsy, even deaths that are never seeing the light of day on the VAERS report. So somebody is curating them and actually culling out serious reports.

Ashley James (0:30:53.221)

So many parents do not know that VAERS exists. This is something that I pointed out to my friend, whose daughter was in the Children's Hospital here in Seattle, and she ended up taking her daughter to other hospitals to try to figure out other really well-respected children's hospitals around the United States to try to help her daughter. None of them were willing to say it was a vaccine injury. That is what she felt was odd. None of them were willing to get to the root cause.

She didn't know about VAERS. She's very intelligent, and she has a very, very good education background. We just don't know. We don't know as parents. So you were the scientific advisor for this documentary. Tell us a bit about that. How did you play a role in advising, I'm sure, you guided them through the questions they wanted to answer, the people they wanted to interview? Tell us about that and through the editing process to make sure that, of course, they were being accurate and well-rounded in telling the story.

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:32:10.569)

Exactly. Well, part of my job was actually to listen to the reports, first of all, as Polly and the team was out on the road. One of the things that was really shocking to me, and the president of Children's Health Defense, Mary Holland, and myself both cautioned her because she started talking about the hospital protocols, how they were targeting the unvaccinated in the hospital protocols, and they were getting the worst of the worst treatment.

When these reports came out, when they came back from Polly, we were, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, let's not rush to judgment. It was very, very hard to believe. But when you take all of these anecdotes, all of the stories, all the individual reports that were reviewed, that were vetted, that would say the same thing over and over again—my loved one was taken to the hospital, they were asked their vaccination status, no, I'm not vaccinated, they were treated poorly, they were given Remdesivir, sometimes without their knowledge and also sometimes without their consent.

In fact, they would give express consent not to use Remdesivir, and they would end up—the hospital would say no, that's our standard protocol, you will take Remdesivir. Or they would find out later on after the patient had deceased that they were on Remdesivir. Then they would be put on supplemental oxygen, Remdesivir would cause the lungs to fill up with fluid, then they would be put on mechanical ventilation to force the fluid out, and ultimately they would go into the ICU and then they would die.

This story popped up over and over and over again. It's something that you don't want to believe in your most worst nightmare. But it was. I went out on the bus. I was on the bus for about six days and totally several different trips. You would hear this story all the time and it would end up with a loved one being deceased or, in the case of one of the stories that was highlighted, a patient leaving at the bequest of the family against hospital orders.

Ashley James (0:34:41.705)

I loved that story. I love that you outlined that in the documentary. I was so proud of them that the husband went and got oxygen. But Polly, when you were there hearing this story, I mean, your jaw must've been on the floor because in the documentary, they talk about how they had to get the police to come and help them escape. The hospital was holding her hostage, was holding her prisoner.

Polly Tommey (0:35:09.517)

She wasn't the only story. I mean, that one was chosen for the documentary, but we had a fair few of people who were either rescued or managed to get out. I mean, when I say a fair few, maybe 10 out of the 1,300 stories that we did. It was wonderful. It was almost very emotional when they would come onto the bus and say, I survived hospital protocol. I'd find myself feeling very emotional because everybody else that I'd interviewed was looking at a photograph of someone that had not made it. It was an honor to be speaking to these people because they are the voices of what really happened in there. So for all those that were killed. 

It was amazing to see. There were many, many. I mean, they killed so many. We only touched a tiny part of this. We're still taking the stories and they're still coming in and they're still all saying exactly the same thing. They did not take the COVID shot. They had a terrible time of abuse in there and they died a pretty barbaric death. It was just awful.

Ashley James (0:36:14.323)

So in the documentary, it's really, there's two parts to it. One is talking about the vaccine injury. I love how you start by showing that in the media, what they were really doing was that they were using this fear mongering and disinformation to motivate people to take the shot and, oh, it's safe, it's safe. Then, they withheld. See how much the Pfizer, for example, withheld how many animals got killed during the trials and how many people died during the trials. It's really scary. Brian, do you remember those numbers?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:36:55.599)

I do. Pfizer wanted the record sealed for 76 years for the clinical trial information and clinical trial data. Then when the information poured out for postmark and surveillance, those deaths that were reported to Pfizer, which are just really a fraction of the total deaths associated with the vaccine, within less than three months, Pfizer had reported 1,223 deaths alone from their vaccine alone. 

That's not all deaths associated with COVID shots. That was only with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. So this was a mere two months in change after the FDA had approved this under emergency use authorization. Now in 1976, when the swine flu vaccine killed 26 people, it was taken off the market directly. But here we have a Pfizer vaccine with thousands, over a thousand individuals that had died, mere two and a half, three months after the vaccine had been introduced. But crickets. Society was going to take it on the chin.

Ashley James (0:38:12.071)

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here—but I think the people who haven't been awake to this information would think the hospitals were just doing the best they could. Remdesivir was supposed to help them. Weren't these people really sick? The people who were infected with COVID, weren't they so sick they had to go to the hospital and they died from COVID? They didn't die because of the hospital procedures. Then in the same way of thinking, the people who died from the COVID vaccines, didn't they just probably die from COVID or couldn't they have died from something else? How do we know for sure that this shot really is hurting people? Is it at least helping some people? COVID is so deadly, this is what we were told over and over again. So can you help people who are open minded enough to listen to you. 

I give them credit for being here and listening. We were bombarded with George Orwellian-level PR for the last four years. I mean, we've been bombarded before the last four years, but the last four years, they really ramped it up. If you're trained linguistically, you could hear just how much they were manipulating us. So I have family members who just believe whatever's on CNN, whatever's on NBC, whatever they say, they believe. Because we were raised to trust that little box and everything that comes out of it. Just trust. It's audacious to think an entire organization, like the government, wouldn't do this to us. These big organizations, they're here to protect us. Those are individuals. Those aren't evil people. Our doctor isn't evil. So it's so hard. It's so hard it's coming out of the matrix. It's so hard for people, some people, to even acknowledge these facts. But you do it in a really beautiful way in the documentary. That's why I think everyone should watch the documentary, because it shows there's stuff that they don't want you to see. But what we know now, it's because it's coming out now, the vaccines never worked. In fact, people who got them are way sicker, it causes the immune system to not be able to fight off other infections.

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:40:53.071)

Correct. There's so much evidence showing that the vaccines really did nothing but suppress the innate immune system. When you suppress the innate immune system, not only do you make that patient more susceptible to respiratory infections, including COVID-19, other types of infections, including gastrointestinal infections, ear infections, but you also limit their ability to do surveillance against certain cancers.

So we've seen so many resurgence of so many different cancers in these vaccinated patients—patients who were in remission before they received the vaccine, then came out of remission with a very, very rapidly growing tumor. There have been reports of cancers that usually take years to develop that are now developing over weeks.

These reports keep coming out over and over and over again. The more that we look at the component of the COVID-19 shots, the more it's making sense because there are multiple ways that the mRNA shots were formulated that suppress the innate immune system. The Cleveland Clinic came out with a study that showed that if you had received three or more boosters against COVID-19, your likelihood of getting a COVID diagnosis, of being reinfected with COVID, was about three and a half times greater than somebody who had never been vaccinated in the first place.

So we knew that we were being told lie after lie. We were told that the vaccine would stop infection. We were told that the vaccine would stop transmission. That was a big lie. Even Deborah Birx and Anthony Fauci came later and confessed that it was not effective in preventing infection, that it did not prevent transmission. But here we are four years later—and it's still being peddled as the best protection against COVID-19.

Ashley James (0:43:06.185)

So it increases your chances of getting COVID, where's COVID now? It's a common cold. We had coronaviruses before, it's a type of virus.

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:43:24.564)

It's an upper respiratory virus, generally. It causes cold, sniffles, sore throat, malaise. It can cause fever. A coronavirus is not something that's new to society. If you follow the trajectory of this type of it, it's what's called a segmented RNA virus. Usually they mutate themselves out of existence.

Ashley James (0:43:52.240)

That's so interesting. You went around the United States in the bus and you interviewed people. Polly, how did you organize this? I know people are going to think, well, just those, and I hate this term, but those anti-vaxxers are going to be the ones to come on the bus. 

I really dislike that term because it is part of that Orwellian language. If you look into linguistics, it is to discredit and to stop people from questioning. That's why I love that what you do, Polly, is to help people to continue to listen and question and be aware of what's going on. So how did you organize all this and how did you attract people to come and tell their story on camera?

Polly Tommey (0:44:49.643)

Well, first of all, let's address the anti-vaxxer thing. I think that's a good thing to do because you can't call any of us anti-vaxxers because we all took a shot or we gave our children shots and we're only here because we were vaccinated. So I hardly think an anti-vaxxer is an appropriate term for someone who has an injury. So again, that's a swear word that you throw at people that you can't argue back with. So it's offensive because I won't let them get away with that.

Ashley James (0:45:23.579)

Yes, me too. Me too. I hate that term. Yes. I point it out and I say, you're using hate speech. I'm going to use their terms back on them. It is a microaggression, but seriously, it stops people from being intelligent. If you use the word Nazi or racist, you're stopping any intelligent conversation after using that word. When what we want to do is we want to question.

We want to explore and we want to expose. So I'm sorry I interrupted, but I am there with you with that term.

Polly Tommey (0:46:00.515)

Well, we call ourselves X-faxers because now that we know better, we do better.

So we set out on a tour. My daughter was the tour organizer because she organized the first tour. So we roped her back in to do it again because she knows so many. What she would do is contact a local area, say Austin, and say, go to maybe Texas for Vaccine Choice and say, look, the bus is coming here. If there's anyone that's got a story or anything at all, good or bad, we also want to hear from you. If you've got measles and your family member died, we want that story.

It is as important as the person who took the MMR and their child died. So, but we can't find anyone who died of measles or knows anyone that died of measles. But anyway, going back to the bus, yes, we would turn up, we didn't know the majority of the people. Many people who came to the bus had never heard of Children's House Defence. They had just heard that there was this bus that was going to be recording stories of injury and death during the COVID.

It wasn't just COVID, we were also looking at the approved shots as well and what happened. So it was all of those that came in. Again, we were just overrun with the hospital protocol stories, which we didn't anticipate getting them at all. I think in the back of our minds, we thought we're probably going to get some Remdesivir. We'd heard about Remdesivir hurting people to a terrible degree. So I anticipated some of those, but nothing like what we got.

Again, it's such a God thing we went out. I knew we were out there for a reason and we were out there to expose what they did in the hospitals and the terrible tragedy of the COVID shock.

Ashley James (0:47:38.791)

Now for those who again, maybe weren't as awake or looking into this, just maybe they're just listening to CNN the last four years. Dr. Hooker, what is Remdesivir and why were hospitals using it and why were people dying from it? Why were the hospitals using it if it killed people? Wasn't COVID that people were dying from? It was the hospital protocol. So what is Remdesivir? Why? Why would they do that?

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:48:10.527)

Well, Remdesivir is a patented drug. Currently has patent protection. It is produced by company Gilead Sciences. Gilead Sciences collaborated with the National Institutes for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, that's Tony Fauci's agency there, for the development of this particular drug.

It was used originally in a trial against Ebola. In the trial, it actually performed worse than any of the other drugs that were tried to combat Ebola. In fact, in that arm of the trial, when patients were given Remdesivir, they died. The overall cohort that was given Remdesivir, over 50%, I believe 53% of the patients ended up dying as compared to the most effective drug where the number of patients that died was around 30%.

So it failed Ebola. Then Tony Fauci decided let's go ahead and repurpose this drug and we'll try it against SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19. It did not perform well. In fact, it was known from the previous clinical trial that it was causing significant organ damage, especially in the concentrations that it was given, but yet it was approved anyway. It was approved under emergency use authorization, and it was approved over and against drugs that were not on patent.

If you followed COVID-19 in the pandemic, you've heard something of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. These were front runner drugs that were actually quite effective against the virus, especially when they were given very, very early on. But the only difference between hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin is that these are well established drugs. They're not on patent. They are not money makers. But you bet Remdesivir was a blockbuster in the hospitals when they were able to administer it.

Were able to gain an additional $3,000 per patient because of using this particular premium on patent drug. It made absolutely no sense to use it. It was not effective against COVID-19, but it was Tony Fauci's shiny object. So that's what got approved by the Emergency Use Authorization.

Then it was made a part of the hospital protocol. Is an injectable, not an oral drug. Even its administration made absolutely no sense because you don't give people antiviral drugs late in the infection. They are absolutely not effective. Antivirals make no difference if they're given after 72 hours after the onset of the infection.

But yet they were giving these patients Remdesivir for days, weeks after the infection had occurred. They were given multiple rounds of Remdesivir. Consequently, it caused their organs to shut down.

Ashley James (0:51:34.939)

I went to the hospital about day nine of having COVID. Now I had just given birth and my daughter had died during childbirth. So I was also intensely grieving and my blood pressure dropped. So this was a week before, but my blood pressure dropped so low and my oxygen dropped and my doctor said, well, you need to go in and get scanned because of birth, not because of COVID, because I didn't really have a lot of symptoms other than I'd had a fever. I had a tiny, tiny little cough, but I was finding it a little hard to breathe. Then that hard to breathe got worse, almost an asthma attack. They said, listen, you're postpartum. It's likely that it could be a clot basically in your lungs.

That's why they sent me to the hospital. So I went to the hospital, I got scanned, no clots in the lungs, we're good. I'm on the table in the emergency room and I'm on oxygen and my O2 leveled out, my blood pressure came back. I wasn't under life-threatening, but I was feeling so just scared because, again, I just lost my daughter, I'm in the hospital, and the fear about possibly dying, I was dealing with a lot of emotion.

They come in and they hand me these papers and they go, and it wasn't Remdesivir, and I wish I could remember the name of it, but it was something like it. There were two different drugs they wanted to give me that were antiviral, and it was an Emergency Use Authorization approved, but it had never gone to human trials. It was basically, the people in the hospital were the human trial. 

They hand me these two pieces of paper and they're like, hey, we really, really think you should be given your current situation, given your stats, given the fact that your blood pressure and all that, all the stats, we think this is life and death and we're going to administer it. It's an IV, you'd stay in the hospital. I knew I'd heard the stories already, because this was mid-April 2021.

I knew I'd heard the stories about what they'd been doing in the hospitals and putting people on ventilators and killing them with Remdesivir. But I'd never heard of this drug. So I’m okay, well, I’m going to look into it. Every fiber in my being is screaming no, but at the same time, also having problems breathing. So I was, is there anything you could give me, guys? Can you just give me something to help me breathe while I get through this? 

I read the pieces of paper. It's, like this is so good. We're having really great results with this in the hospitals. I text my midwife and her and I, it’s two in the morning, she's up with me, and both of us are researching this. She's on her computer, I'm on my phone. You always go to the manufacturer's website to read the, to get the truth, get the full list of side effects. Well, I went in and I found, I had to dig, dig, dig, dig, and I found that in the hospitals, what they did was they compared people in the hospitals with COVID. So God knows what they were doing to those people. They would probably put them on Remdesivir, but people who were on these drugs versus people who were not on these drugs and doing something else. The people that were on these drugs that they wanted to give me had a higher risk of dying. So both groups had COVID, but it was going for the standard hospital procedure or take these drugs. It was more people were dying.

I found that one statistic and I showed that to the doctor and you're telling me that you're recommending this to people and it's clear as day. They were getting a kickback. They were getting a kickback because they were entering their hospital and their patients into this trial. I showed them, I showed them where it said on that website and it showed I would have a greater risk of dying. Basically, I have a greater risk of living if I just leave now and go home. I hadn’t been admitted yet. I was still in the ER.

So I said, “Is there anything you can help me with? I just need help with breathing.” They gave me an inhaler, an albuterol, not prescribed to me. They did not prescribe it. They gave it to me under the table. They did not put it in any of my paperwork. It is not on my file. They handed it to me and they said, “Okay, get out.” It helped immediately. Took a few puffs. It helped me breathe. I've never had asthma before, but that's what I thought it felt like.

So I went home, kept checking my stats. My stats got better. About a day and a half later, they called me from the hospital. I'm sitting up with my son. We're doing something. I'm feeling a lot better. I'm still recovering, but feeling a lot better. Continued to check my O2. Everything's looking good. I still have to be on the inhaler every four hours because I'm still recovering from it. They call and they say, “We really need you to come back and get on that antiviral because we are so worried about you based on your stats. We're so worried about you.” I said, “It's been a day and a half. I'm sitting up and playing with my son. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm checking my oxygen.” They're like, “No, no, really, we're worried you're going to die. You got to come back.” I'm like, “Die of what? Die of what?” So I saw a bit of trickery.

Dr. Brian Hooker (0:57:14.989)

Exactly. That was so prevalent. See, you've got a hospital system that they shut the country down, the country gets shut down, people are not going to the hospital, people are not using medical services. So then the hospital is starved for money. Then all of a sudden, when the hospital is opened back up, they're scrappy, and they're getting incentivized for these therapies that do not work. That are not effective. Even the World Health Organization came out and said that Remdesivir was not appropriate for COVID-19 infections, but yet in the US, because of Tony Fauci, because of the NIAID, because of Gilead Sciences, and then because of hospitals knowing that they were going to get premiums from insurance, from Medicaid, from Medicare, if they used Remdesivir. Then it was very callous, it was very calculated, but it was the hospitals and the hospital administrators making money because they had been starved of money before. So they were making money so they could keep their doors open.

Ashley James (0:58:22.725)

Polly, I loved how well you guys covered this in the documentary. I really want everyone to make sure they go watch your documentary because it was outlined so well, first of all, you'd said, Dr. Hooker, that they were starved for money in the first three months of COVID back in 2020. I know all of us just want to forget the entire year, but back in 2020, we were told not to go to the hospitals. The hospitals were empty and we were lied to. We were told they were full of people. They were empty. 

The hospitals, our organization, so I'm from Canada. I live in the States. I'm from Canada. So in Canada, the hospitals want to save money. So when they do procedures, they're looking to do the least expensive thing they can do. So they're saving money. People die because they're saving money in Canada. 

Here, they died because it was a moneymaker for the hospitals. The hospitals got kickbacks. They got some $40,000 plus dollars to basically kill a patient. But again, this is where people are listening. Even part of me is like, but those doctors aren't Satanists. Those doctors, the nurses and the doctors are good people. Why would they kill patient after patient every day? You hear these nurses say, we had patients every single day die from these protocols, day after day after day after day. It was a factory farm turning over body after body, day after day, giving them the drugs that they knew would kill them. Sometimes 30 drugs that they would give these people without the permission of the family. The family wasn't allowed to even come into the hospital. So the hospital, who was at the head of the hospital, deciding to murder people for money, really. 

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:00:19.663)

That's a really good question. We saw that there was a level of contempt against the unvaccinated once they were in the hospitals. There were even comments by healthcare professionals, doctors, nurses saying, well, you're only getting what you deserve because you wouldn't take the vaccine.

You wouldn't save grandma. You wouldn't do your bit for society. So therefore, I have no compassion for you. You're getting what you absolutely deserved. In those instances, it was absolutely chilling the level of callousness, the level of hubris of these medical professionals that they would end up depriving people's lives.

If these people were resisting against the hospital protocol, some of them were put in four-point restraints. Some of them then were given a cocktail of narcotic drugs, fentanyl and morphine and propofol. So they were basically paralyzed, laying there, dying from these hospital protocols.

Ashley James (1:01:33.869)

Polly, do any stories stand out to you? You interviewed over a thousand people for the documentary and traveled to so many cities, but is there any story or stories that you want to share?

Polly Tommey (1:01:49.881)

I mean, there are so many, and there's no one that if you asked my favorite, because it was also very sad. But there's one girl that I did get very sad about. This girl was at college. So she was around 18 or 19 years old.

She was unvaccinated all her life. Her mother brought her up to be completely vaccine-free and holistically brought up. This girl called her mother and the mother was the one telling the story. She said, look, mom, I'm going to take the COVID shot. I know you're not going to like it, but I can't deal with the abuse of everyone in my college. I’m not allowed to do anything? I’m not allowed to go out? I want to go to this concert. I can't do anything and I'm just being abused because everyone else has taken the shot. So she took the shot and her injury was so severe. Anyway, she died. She died. The mother was sitting there with her only daughter telling us she was called Rachel, the girl, and we've got a picture of her on the bus.

To me, it was so tragic. It was so tragic that this girl knew the vaccine was not a good thing, but she just couldn't cope with the peer pressure. There were other stories like that, but it was just a very sad situation. Of course, all the hospital protocols, I mean, as Brian said, it was very difficult to listen to the abuse going on in the hospital. So when people say, but doctors and nurses are good. Look, there's good people and there are people that are not so good. That includes doctors and nurses as well. The reports of the abuse from those that were in the hospital is very difficult to understand that a human being can treat someone like that. It was like they were possessed and they were blaming them for being unvaccinated. This is what you get. This is what you deserve because you did not trust us and took the shot.

So this is what you get. Everybody look at these people, they're unvaccinated, so they will die. It was the same message over and over again. So I don't believe that you can say that the doctors didn't know. I think, how can you not know? How can you not know when they are dying in front of you and dying filthy deaths? When the loved ones were allowed to go and say goodbye, many of them missed the goodbye window.

They would say that they would be covered in their own feces and their hair was all matted. They were covered in bed sores. These people had water taken away from them, food taken away from them. They were starved and they were given four-point restraints and held down until they died. So they don't get a pass from me. You, people that were involved in that, you have blood on your hands and you need to come forward right now and tell us what happened and repent because that's the only way you're going to get out of this.

Ashley James (1:04:40.633)

I was surprised at how many of the loved ones who came on your bus said it was wild. You edit it in a really good way to show. They said almost the same thing. It was the same story and it wasn't just one hospital you traveled across America. It was hospital after hospital that said the same thing, that they refused to give the patients water. Some of them refused to give them food and water for days, sometimes 12 days, no water. Of course, they died. Of course, they died, plus kidney disease. Of course, they died of kidney failure. Yes, we know Remdesivir does that, but on top of all that, they refused to give them water. I mean, the Nuremberg Code, how many times have I seen the Nuremberg Code be violated? It's human rights were violated over and over and over again from these different organizations. It's sick.

Polly Tommey (1:05:42.251)

They would say, it's the protocol. When loved ones would call up the hospital and say, my husband or whatever is desperate for just some ice chips, please, please, no, it's the protocol, he can't have them. What protocol? That's ridiculous. We all know that when you're sick, the first thing you do is hydrate yourself, no matter even what the sickness is.

Ashley James (1:06:01.327)

Your website for people to see the documentary. I really want them to see. So when they go to their website, can they purchase a documentary? How can people watch the documentary?

Polly Tommey (1:06:17.263)

Well, thanks to the Children's Health Offense. This documentary is completely free. There is no way that Children's Health Offense were going to charge for the people's stories. So I'm so proud of them that they've gone out there and some people have donated anyway, which is really wonderful because we can make more films, but it's free. Go to chd.tv and it's right there in front of you. We have a movie section where Vaxxed 2 is also in that movie section and every single show that you watch or movie that you watch is completely free because we want to educate and get this message out. We cannot allow this to happen again. The only way that we can stop this is if we collectively come together, keep educating ourselves the whole time. The best education is from the people to the people. You can't trust the media. You definitely can't trust the politicians. You cannot trust the doctors. Most of the institutions, schools and things that you can't trust these people now. So we have to bond together as a team and fight and make sure of that, because they're going to try and do this again. They'll make sure it doesn't happen.

Ashley James (1:07:26.869)

Exactly. Exactly. The thing is they ramped it up, but they've actually always been doing it. I use this as one example. Flu season. When I was a child, I'm 44 years old. So, not that old, but old enough to have been around the block a few times. We didn't have a thing called flu season. That wasn't a thing. We didn't call it flu season.

I haven't gone into the research to find out when this became a term, but I have a suspicion it was around the late nineties when they really started ramping up and coming out with flu shots. I took a flu shot once with my mom, and my mom was a holistic, very natural-minded person, but we went to our chiropractic office of all places, and our chiropractor at the time was so excited to offer us this new thing. Again, being Canadian, our vaccine schedule was different from America. I don't know when flu shots—maybe you could tell us, Dr. Hooker, if you remember when flu shots started to become a real thing, when they started ramping it up—but they started advertising it. That's another whole thing to get into: when they started advertising pharmaceuticals, because that used to be illegal until they pushed being able to advertise birth control. 

When's that opened up the floodgates to pharmaceuticals. This is at least in Canada—I remember it. One day, zero pharmaceutical, zero anything from the pharmaceutical companies on commercials, to two-thirds of the commercials are pharmaceuticals. All of a sudden started calling it flu season. Now, why do people get more sick in the winter than in the summer? I know people in the summer that got the flu. So don't tell me that it can't be caught in the summer.

But okay. We're indoors more, we're exposed to each other more. We have less vitamin D, less sunlight. Here's the thing. I didn’t see it as a kid but it happened to me. I was 13 years old. I was rebelling from my mom and her healthy ways, with no junk food in the house ever. It was my last time doing trick or treating. I went with my friends and we got a huge, huge bag of candy. I ate all of it. Then I ate just all that Halloween stuff. I ate so much sugar. I got an infection. I’d  never been on a drug in my life. I'd never been on a prescription in my life. I was 13 years old and I got on my first course of antibiotics, and I was on antibiotics from then until Christmas because I couldn't kick the infection, and I had been eating sugar nonstop. It isn't flu season. It's sugar season. Kids eat Halloween candy, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, and then again, on Valentine's Day.

It is sugar season, and sugar shuts down the immune system. Then they go take a flu shot. It'll prevent it. Doesn't. It makes it worse, not better. So that was my big aha moment, because my mom and I took it once. It was 1999. We both got sick as dogs for two weeks after that. We both went, flu shots hurt you. They don't help. They hurt. We're never doing that again.

I started to wake up at that point. I started to question. That's what I love—that your documentaries, this one is amazing, and all three of them are amazing. I love that your documentaries are bringing the truth because this truth is suppressed. I know I can't publish this episode on YouTube. It will be taken down. All those episodes I had mentioned, I hadn't mentioned episode 461 with Dr. Paul Thomas. That's a really good one to listen to also, especially for parents who are vaccinating or thinking about vaccinating. Listen to that pediatrician, Dr. Paul Thomas, episode 461. You have to know what he uncovers from years of being a pediatrician and every single child who's vaccine is injured in some way, and he proves it. It is mind-blowing. 

So tell us a bit about the Children's Health Defense, because honestly, it hadn't really been on my radar until recently on X, formerly Twitter. My husband sent me a link, saying you have to see this woman. It was in the last two months. This young girl goes to a hospital in California.

She has a rare blood disorder, and she wants to get a treatment, and the doctor says before you do, you have to get caught up on all your vaccines. It almost killed her. That's when I really started learning about the Children's Health Defense, because didn't they come to her aid, Polly? I know, Polly, you were advocating for her. I saw your live videos with her. Maybe could you talk a bit about that? That's why I started falling in love with the Children's Health Defense, because you guys are actively helping parents and children who get vaccine injured, or who are inactive vaccine injury, and who are dying in the hospitals because the doctors do not know the protocols to save someone when they're in an active event where their body is shutting down.

Polly Tommey (1:12:53.507)

Well, we were fortunate enough to be contacted by a nurse who was going down to help Alexis. We managed to go live and report it as it was happening. If anyone listening is ever in a situation like that, do contact us because when you've got eyes on something, then they back off. So I think it helps a lot. But Brian knows a lot about this story as well. So whether you want to take it from here.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:13:23.583)

Well, it's such a horrific story. Alexis Lorenze and her family down in Orange County, California. She has a genetic disorder. It's a genetic disorder that was caused by a spontaneous mutation in her early adulthood where when she flares, she can make antibodies to her own hemoglobin. So she, in order to take this drug, she was having head pain, and the head pain they thought was attributable to this disorder. But in order to then treat her, they were going to treat her with a drug called Saliris. When you take Saliris, it is recommended that you get the meningococcal vaccine and actually for meningococcal meningitis A and then meningococcal meningitis B.

So the hospital insisted that she go ahead and get the vaccinations. Also included, and I still haven't figured this one out, the Haemophilus influenzae B or the Hib vaccine. She ended up getting that as well. So she ends up getting three vaccines in one visit. Within 10 minutes, she has tremendous head pain. She was going through a really, really strong encephalopathy, encephalitis, brain swelling. So she's having this tremendous pain. She's yelling, she's screaming out within 10 minutes of vaccination and trying to get the attention of the hospital workers at that point in time unsuccessfully.

Then she started bruising uncontrollably, and she ended up with a disorder called thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura. It basically was an exaggeration of an immune response. It was an immediate autoimmune response that caused the antibodies to attack her blood cell components. There were actually antibodies that were causing her blood to clot. There were antibodies causing the red cells to dysfunction, and antibodies rushing into these sites, causing the integrity of her vessel walls to fail. So she started to get this bruising. She very well could have died of this disorder, TTP. But if it hadn't been for them, actually, it was almost accidentally they started to give her blood transfusions. What they needed to do was they needed to get the antibodies out of her plasma. They did not do that. Instead of getting the antibodies out of her plasma, they gave her blood transfusions. But just that act of transfusing caused the autoimmune reaction to calm down.

But in the process of all of this bruising, all this damage done to the circulatory system, now she's almost like she's a burn victim. It looks like third-degree burns all over her skin. She's going to have to have grafts all over her head area, her forehead, other places on her body. Her neck is just an absolute mess. The hospital would deny up and down that that was a vaccine adverse event, even though it started, frankly, 10 minutes after she received those three vaccines. They still deny it, and she never should have gotten those vaccines together. Even if they were going to vaccinate her, it was wholly irresponsible that they would give her three vaccines with her disorder, with her autoimmune disorder already. For them to sit down and to give her three vaccines was basically a death sentence.

Ashley James (1:17:43.056)

I've seen the videos and it's worth going and checking it out. How can people follow this story, follow her when they go on X or is it on the Children's Health Defense?

Polly Tommey (1:18:02.328)

Well, we have all the videos. If you go to X at Children's Health Defense, you will find them there, but also might be easier. We post so much on Twitter or X as it's called. Go to chd.tv and just put Alexis' name in and you'll find all of the lives there. It's really easy to find.

Ashley James (1:18:19.940)

The story that was unfolding was at first the doctors were saying, don't film us, don't film this. They were trying to suppress her from going live, but she was going live and live streaming and saying, guys, I can't see, I can't see. She lost vision. She was alone, a young girl in her early twenties, alone in a hospital and they were ignoring her and the doctors were saying, stop filming, don't go live. 

Thank God, thank God. I’m so grateful God was there for her that day and God answers our prayers by connecting us, by connecting us with each other. So, you guys came to her aid and that wonderful nurse came to her aid. Then the hospital started listening to her and the nurse who was working with the other doctors that she knows who are aware of what to do in these instances started to give her steroids or started to give her what she needed to calm it down.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:19:23.792)

Steroids, she was on prednisone for a while and they tapered that off. At one point they were tapering her and didn't get it off too quickly. So she ended up in a crisis situation. But again, I'm glad I got a call from Nurse Angela. I think that she called, I'm not an MD, but she called me just for advice from a biochemical standpoint. She called practitioners. People really reached out. 

You can follow Alexis. If you just go to X and type in Alexis Lorenze, she posts on a regular basis about her progress. Lorenze is L-O-R-E-N-Z-E. So you can follow her on chd.tv. You can also follow her directly on X. She does need our prayers. She's not out of the woods. She does need our support. Regardless, she's going to have a long, long journey.

I'm so thankful for her bravery because she's been very, very vocal and very, very forthright with what actually happened to her.

Ashley James (1:20:32.344)

There's a saying that medicine is allopathic drug-based, prescription-based medicine is the third leading cause of death. That's using drugs as intended, as prescribed, not off-label. Can you speak to that statistic?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:20:53.880)

It usually varies between the third and the fourth leading cause of death in the United States is iatrogenic medical. I don't want to necessarily call it medical error, but medical death is that they died due to some type of medical intervention.

I believe that it's probably a much, much greater extent when you see how many people that have cancer that are actually dying from chemo drugs, from the use of chemo drugs, from the misadministration of chemo drugs. One of our heroes in the movement, Dr. Jim Meehan, was diagnosed with tongue cancer and esophageal cancer.

Unfortunately, he passed away several months ago. His wife, Kathy Meehan, is being very forthright and frank that he didn't really die from cancer; he died from chemo. There are a lot of things that go into that type of death, that medically associated or medically initiated death that are not being reported. So I think that you see it as the third leading cause of death or the fourth leading cause of death. I do think it's much worse.

Ashley James (1:22:25.838)

A lot of times people go, well, those are mistakes, medical mistakes. What's wrapped up in those numbers is you go to your doctor, your doctor gives you a prescription. It's the right dose. It was the prescription that was in alignment with your health condition, and you die. The death is from the prescription.

Those prescriptions are still on the market. We have to remember that every drug that's been removed from the market for killing too many people was first approved. My mom died that way. She died of a drug that was approved, that was put on the market, after it was approved, killed too many people, and then they took it off the market. We have to see that the way they practice medicine, you are more likely to die from getting the medicine than from doing nothing at all. When we look at the statistics, of course, if you need antibiotic, emergency medicine, of course, I want you to live. But when it comes to chronic disease and using these drugs, it is not safe. It's not safe. There's no safe and effective drug. All of them, there's a risk.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:23:45.747)

Absolutely. There's always a risk associated with it. One of the things that is very, very difficult to deal with is that many, if not most of the vaccine manufacturers, are really serial felons. I mean, if you look at companies like Merck, and one of the acronyms for the HPV vaccine is help pay for Vioxx, and Merck killed, murdered countless tens, hundreds of thousands of people due to the use of Vioxx. They covered that up. They covered up those murders, and all of a sudden on the heels of that, they came out with the HPV vaccine. If you have a drug company that is a serial felon that continues to cover up the fact that their drugs are killing people, then why should we trust them in the first place?

Ashley James (1:24:43.223)

Exactly. Who died of chickenpox? Really? Really? It's a childhood illness. Remember, we used to have chickenpox parties? I’m a homeschooler and that's something that still happens in the homeschool world. Anyone who's having wild chickenpox, not chickenpox from vaccine shedding, but wild chickenpox, we're all going to go over and have a chickenpox party.

You have some bumps, maybe a little bit of a fever, you get to stay home and watch TV, stay hydrated, and then it's over. I've had amazing doctors and scientists on the show talking about the immunology of it—as an adult, we're supposed to all have exposure to chickenpox, and as an adult, when we're re-exposed, it actually tonifies the immune system and helps prevent cancer. They've seen this with measles as well.

It helps the tonification of the re-exposure, actually lowers cancer rates, and helps tonify the immune system. So what did they do? They came out with a vaccine for chickenpox, and now they wipe out this idea of chickenpox parties so we're not exposing our children to it. Then later down the road, we're getting an adult version of it. Then they create a problem and then come out with a drug to fix that problem or to, “fix that problem”. Can you elaborate on this—that they're creating the problem and then they create the fake solution for the problem?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:26:22.673)

Well, these illnesses, these infections that were a part of a childhood growing up—I was born in 1963—so chickenpox, mumps, even measles were a routine part of childhood. Now, instead, have vaccinations. With those vaccines, we've seen that the MMR vaccine is ineffective at preventing mumps, and so now mumps is becoming a disease of adolescents and young adults. 

The consequence of having sterility associated with mumps is much, much greater now because it's no longer a disease in childhood; it's a disease in individuals that are sexually maturing or sexually mature.

So you have individuals who are rendered sterile because of getting mumps later on in life. That is caused by the faulty immunity that wears off, that wanes precipitously into adolescence. You can say the same thing about chickenpox. Now we're getting the resurgence of children who are getting shingles. Children at younger and younger ages are now getting shingles, and it's not the children who are getting wild chickenpox infections, wild-type infections or natural infections; it's the ones that are getting the vaccine that are ending up getting cases of shingles younger and younger and younger. Then you look at the measles. Well, there's a certain body of literature that shows that when you've had the measles, you've been exposed to wild-type measles, then it is protective for certain forms of brain cancer.

So these infections are not necessarily these things that must be avoided. The mortality of measles before the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963 was about one in half a million. Okay, so one and a half million children in the United States were actually dying of measles, but they introduced the vaccine anyway, even though there was really no need.

Ashley James (1:28:41.809)

Now, so we traded one and a half million. What are the consequences that we get when half a million children are vaccinated with the MMR?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:28:57.945)

Well, one of the consequences, and I'll let Polly just speak to this directly because it directly affected her family, is autism. Absolutely, positively is autism. You take a triple live virus vaccine, three live viruses in a single vaccine, and by the way, we don't even know how many viral particles are in the vaccine that our children are receiving because Merck has lied about that. But it ends up in catastrophe, Polly.

Polly Tommey (1:29:29.151)

We lived it. But my son Billy, 27 years ago, only had the MMR. That was the only thing on the schedule then. So we knew it was that it injured our son. But nowadays, the schedule is ridiculous. The parents have no idea which thought it was the injury, if indeed not all of them. Then that leads me on to tell you that we did see a really different type of injury on this tour. Something we've never really seen before. So way above autism, children who can't hold their heads up. Kids with polio symptoms with trachs in their necks and being fed to feeding tubes. 

We are really brain injuring and killing these kids like never before. So Children's Health Defense in 2025 are going to make this one of their main missions is to really expose this childhood schedule and take it down because we cannot continue. We are now. The kids are dying. Pregnant mothers are getting so many shots, their fetuses are dying. Newborns are dying, the toddlers are dying, the teenagers are dying. HPV Gardasil is one of the worst, most injurious vaccines that we have on the schedule. But they're all bad. We've had death from every single one of them. 

If I could go back in time and I could read Brian Hooker's book, the Vax-Unvax, Let the Science Speak, that book needs to go to every new mom immediately, or every family that's just getting married. That book has to go out because that explains from a scientific point of view why vaccinating is a terrible idea.

Ashley James (1:31:13.748)

Going to make sure the link to that book, by the way, is in the show notes of today's podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com as well as the links that we've been discussing. Please, if your heart is called to, please donate to the Children's Health Defense. I want to continue seeing the efforts going on. These documentaries being made, these interviews happening, these people being exposed, this corruption being exposed.

It's for you and your children and your grandchildren. This information is for us. By investing a donation to the Children's Health Defense, I can see that we're investing in ourselves and our children's future by investing in this organization. Because you guys are going up against the juggernaut. You guys are going up against a very large, evil corruption. I believe that it's a spiritual war we're fighting.

There are demonic forces. When you look at this, when you really, really look at this, and I've watched all three documentaries, the second documentary covered a lot of that Gardasil information. The first documentary uncovered a lot of that MMR information. When we look at it, and when you see, there's whistleblowers that come out of these organizations — the CDC, the FDA — they come out and they say, my conscience can't handle it. We know that these vaccines are killing. We know that these vaccines are causing damage. The MMR, for example, when you discussed in the first Vaxxed movie, the whistleblower was uncovering that they knew the genetics of African-American or anyone from African descent males. What was the percentage? Can you address that?

So let's say you take, we're taking a mixed culture. We've got Asian descent, European descent, we have African descent. We take all kinds of little boys and girls and part of the CDC schedule, we're shooting them up left and center. Some, we're led to believe, it's safe and effective for everyone, but some with different genetics actually respond much worse. Everyone is damaged. I'm excited to read your book. Actually, Brian, I've never read your book. I'm excited to dive into it. What Dr. Paul Thomas says, I'm going to do it. What Dr. Paul Thomas says in episode 461 with me is he uncovers without a shadow of a doubt, with all the science, with all the data from his own clinic, over a decade of data, proves every single child who receives vaccine is injured in one way or another, and he proves it. Now, not everyone gets autism.

That's where we go to genetics. So it's a stressor, it's a toxin we're putting into you. Some people, genetically, it's worse than others. But you guys exposed, you helped this whistleblower expose that the CDC — was it the CDC? — knew that young black boys were, what was it? Was it four times more likely to end up having a severe vaccine injury?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:34:31.572)

Three and a half times more likely to be diagnosed with autism, with full-blown autism. That was compared to just merely delaying the vaccine until after three years of age. 

Ashley James (1:34:45.601)

Now, hold on, because everyone who calls us anti-vaxxers says, and they're very angry and their faces go red and they're yelling and their spit is coming out of their mouth, and they say, vaccines do not cause autism. How dare you say that? So what you're telling me, the CDC knows it causes autism. The very papers that were brought by this whistleblower who works there in the first documentary. Did these organizations admit it?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:35:19.543)

Absolutely. The CDC knows very uncomfortably that vaccines cause autism. They worked very, very diligently in order to cover that up because they're not about children. They're about profits. They're about the fact that they buy and sell $5 billion worth of vaccines through the Vaccines for Children program every year. 

Again, it's a wholly captured agency. It's captured by the pharmaceutical industry. We have high-level officials, the head, the director of the National Center for Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, ordered all of that information destroyed—all of that data regarding black boys and autism when they got the MMR vaccine on time—that was all ordered destroyed. If it hadn't been for the CDC whistleblower, William Thompson, then we wouldn't have had any of that information today. It would have never made the light of day.

Ashley James (1:36:19.714)

What’s happened to him? 

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:36:26.141)

He's still at the CDC. He has made the choice to stay within the CDC. I am not in direct contact with the whistleblower any longer. Every now and then I'll hear rumblings that he was going to retire. I know he's approaching retirement age fairly quickly. But they essentially rewarded him for his silence. So very quickly after the whistleblower came out, they tucked him back into the CDC doing who knows what, but then he was given a retention bonus quickly after that to stay within the CDC. They put him in a division where he can't do any real damage to the vaccination program. He's in the hepatitis C division. Within that, there is no vaccine for hepatitis C. So, frankly, I really don't know what he does all day, but he's still at the CDC.

Ashley James (1:37:32.017)

Have any other whistleblowers come out in the last four years for you guys or to you guys?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:37:38.293)

We work with whistleblowers all the time and different types of whistleblowers. One of the more prolific whistleblowers was a hero of mine, Dr. Judith Zimmerman from the University of Utah. She exposed the fraud in the CDC covering up the extent of the autism epidemic, and she showed that they were not reporting cases of autism and that the autism epidemic was actually much worse than what the CDC was reporting. 

They threw the book at her. They tried to bring her up on criminal charges. There was a lawsuit that she was involved with the university as well as the CDC. But I'm so thankful for these people. Dr. Zimmerman was the consummate whistleblower. Unlike Dr. Thompson, who was the whistleblower for the MMR who tucked away back into the CDC, Dr. Zimmerman went public and stayed public with her information.

Ashley James (1:38:50.350)

So those who aren't ex-vaxxers, they think some vaccines are good? Because we would have polio, this would be the Black Plague, Dark Ages. We'd have polio, we'd have measles, we would be a third world country. I know that's not a politically kind term anymore, but still, this is how they think. They go, if we didn't have it, then we would have polio left and the center. 

There was no live polio in Africa until Bill Gates came around, and he gives them the vaccine that actually sheds. So now they have polio in Africa because of his vaccine efforts. It's disgusting. Sorry, I'm going to get off my soapbox, but please talk to the people who go, well, okay, but we've gotten rid of polio with vaccines, so vaccines work? Vaccines are good, they've helped eradicate disease?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:40:01.232)

No, they never really eradicated polio in the first place. In fact, if anything, they probably caused polio to become much worse. You look at history, if anybody wants to find out what really happened, Google the Cutter incidents—C-U-T-T-E-R—where the live virus vaccine sheds and creates more cases of polio, more cases of paralytic polio than really had existed before. 

When you look at the original polio diagnosis,  I would say, only 4% leads to any type of short-term paralysis. A small fraction of 1% ever led to permanent paralysis. So many of those polio cases also coincided with the fact that they were spraying kids directly with DDT in order to prevent lice. They were also misdiagnosing Guillain-Barre syndrome as polio. Then people act as if this paralytic disease has left. No, we have plenty of paralytic demyelinating diseases now. 

You always hear about what's called AFM—acute flaccid myelitis. So it is not that polio disappeared. It actually was misclassified and it's now being reclassified and hiding. Then when you look at infectious polio, the vast majority of infectious polio that is anywhere in the world now is due to the vaccine, directly from what you've stated regarding Bill Gates giving the live virus vaccine in Africa, in India, and then having that live virus vaccine mutate and start to spread.

Ashley James (1:41:58.438)

So is there any vaccine that is safe to give your child?

Polly Tommey (1:42:06.314)

Nope, absolutely not.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:42:08.920)

When I find one, I will let you know.

Ashley James (1:42:11.456)

That is where people need to take that information and they need to go down this rabbit hole because we have been lied to by these organizations and it is a for-profit, not-for-health industry. For-profit. The fact that the CDC actually profits, that is the opposite of ethics. If you want to see a definition of what is unethical, look at the CDC.

It is unethical that an organization that tells us what is healthy profits from its own advice. So it has an interest in what it has, has a monetary and political interest in the information that it puts out.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:42:57.392)

It's so lopsided. When you look at how much the CDC spends buying vaccines—over $5 billion—how much they spend promoting vaccines—$500 million—compared to what they spend on vaccine safety every year, which is about $20 million, you see how lopsided it is. It's a profit-taking enterprise. It's a money-making enterprise. Really, they could care less about safety. I mean, you look at where the money goes and it displays that really, really directly.

Ashley James (1:43:34.474)

We've talked a bit about that, if someone is in an adverse event at the moment, there are protocols, steroids that they could get on. Have you seen anything that can help people recover from the long-term damages of the COVID vaccines?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:43:54.210)

I am working with several MDs on different protocols for doing that. I'm not a medical doctor myself, and so I don't necessarily endorse medical protocols, but I'm a great fan of people like Pierre Cori, who's treating long COVID vaccine injury, Paul Merrick, who's doing the same, the doctors at the FLCCC, they're doing absolutely amazing work.

In order to detoxify the body of the effects of the spike protein, of the effects of the lipid nanoparticle and so forth. So, I believe there's a lot of promise there to recover these individuals. But, I think that the best advice that I would offer is that they're coming out with the boosters, they're coming to coerce you to get the boosters.

Please stop getting vaccinated. Please stop getting COVID-19 boosters.

Ashley James (1:44:58.016)

it’s so damaging and we can see it in the videos. Please go watch these documentaries. Please go to chd.tv, watch all three Vaxxed documentaries. They're outstanding. Polly, congratulations. You've done such a tremendous job. It is heart-wrenching, but it is necessary. Although I cried multiple times, I couldn't stop watching.

We think, I don't want to watch because they don't want to cry. No, no, no. You will not be able to peel your eyes away from the screen as you watch the documentary. It is so good. It’s necessary. If we want to protect ourselves and our children and our families, if we want to protect them, we have to arm ourselves with this information. So Polly, thank you so much for the work you have done and continue to do. You're doing such an awesome job.

Polly Tommey (1:45:53.152)

Well, thank you. I would love to tell your viewers about, so basically what you see in Vaxxed 3 is only a tiny smidgen of the amount of stories we've done. We are going to run 48 hours of nonstop COVID injury stories, hospital protocol, deaths, and the people who were hurt by the COVID shots. We're going to run them back to back for 48 hours. So it would be great if people could tune in because every story is important. Every story deserves to be heard.

Ashley James (1:46:22.705)

We learn from them because we go, hey, I keep hearing the same thing over again or hey, that happened to me or hey, that happened to my dad or that happened to my mom or my husband or my kid over and over and over again. You are not alone. You will hear your own experiences reflected in the Vaxxed 3 documentary. In these stories, you will hear it reflected. When we rise up and we go, we're the masses and they're gaslighting us, belittling us, telling us that we're stupid and we see the truth. So thank you so much. Polly, where can they go to watch in early December? Where can they go to watch the continuous videos? Is that on CHD.TV?

Polly Tommey (1:47:13.381)

It is, and if you sign up for text alerts, we'll just send you a text alert to remind you that we're about to go live. So you get prompted to, you'll be able to see it, but 48 hours. Around the world, we hope that everyone will watch these people's stories.

Ashley James (1:47:28.057)

Now we didn't talk much about who the Children's Health Defense is. Obviously it's a non-profit. Who are you guys?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:47:35.463)

We're an organization that was started as the World Mercury Project back in 2015. We were looking primarily at mercury in medicine then and defending the health of children against mercury in medicine. The scope of our work increased and expanded to the point where in 2018 we became the Children's Health Defense.

We were started by none other than Robert F. Kennedy Jr. back in 2015. He is our chairman on leave, chairman of the board of directors. Our fundamental pillars are advocacy, litigation, education, and science. So we're using those particular vehicles in order to warn people about vaccine injury, create vaccine safety science that's never existed before because the agencies won't do that, they do it themselves, and they certainly will not tell the truth about vaccine injury. We're involved in litigation nationwide representing children with vaccine injury, representing cases where we have been censored and others have been censored for speaking out against vaccine injury and then a whole arm to be able to educate new parents and individuals so we can make sure that we have the healthiest children possible.

Ashley James (1:49:07.669)

Amazing, outstanding. Get out there and vote. It's so important. I want to see Kennedy be able to have some power, and do some good. I'm so, so, so excited, so hopeful, filled with hope that we can make a difference and that he can actually expose this corruption and correct it because it's been happening for a long time.

We deserve, we deserve better. Every child and every parent and, Polly, you've exposed thousands of parents coming to you crying. They either watch their child die from vaccine injury or their child is now permanently damaged from vaccine injury. Everyone started out pro-vaccine until it happened.

Let's just wrap up with VAERS just because I think that is so in your face. You can't ignore it. What are the percentages? Give us some percentages of vaccine injury. We know that it's only 1% that are actually reporting, which you've said. People have said, “Hey, I had Guillain-Barre and I submitted it and it was there,” then they deleted it and removed it from VAERS. So we know not all vaccine adverse events are even staying public.

So out of the numbers that you do know, the statistics that you do know, how many people are being vaccine injured?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:50:42.541)

Well, when we look at the statistics now, just to go to the first question, about 30% of all reports that are filed in VAERS never see the light of day. Even those reports that are made, and that's only a small fraction of the actual number of vaccine injuries, 30% are censored and edited, and these tend to be 30% of the worst types of vaccine injuries that are being censored and withheld from the American public.

If you look at the carnage of the COVID-19 shot, the last time I checked VAERS, there were 1.5 million voluntary entries of COVID-19 vaccine injuries. That eclipses the entire rest of the history of VAERS. Every other vaccine put together, that's ever been on the vaccination schedule since VAERS was started 32 years ago.

Now with the COVID-19 shot, we have more injuries than all of that, all of that 32-year history put together. So, this is nothing we've seen before. If you look at the number of deaths that have been reported on the VAERS database, it's greater than all the reports of deaths for all the other vaccines put together over that 32-year history again.

When you look at things: cardiac damage, myocarditis, pericarditis, ischemic stroke, hemorrhagic stroke, heart attack. These are starting to eclipse really the other types of injuries that are being seen on VAERS.

I mean, there's so many issues with the circulatory system because the spike protein is designed to get into circulation and then it interacts adversely with circulatory cells. So we're starting to see those injuries eclipse everything else.

Ashley James (1:52:49.677)

Just to think of the scope that for three decades they collected adverse events, and it now pales in comparison to the COVID shots. That is so disgusting. Is it three shots, the three different companies?

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:53:12.846)

Well, now, they're distributed in the United States. There's the Pfizer vaccine, there's the Moderna vaccine, and then there's a Novavax vaccine. For a while, there was a Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it was suspended and taken off the market because of adverse events. Really, none of them belong on the market. But you're absolutely. It's the compilation of three different vaccines.

Ashley James (1:53:38.388)

Thank you so much for coming on the show today, both of you, and for all the work you do. You've got targets on your back. Have you felt you need to order some security or go live in secret? Have your lives been threatened or you're worried your food's going to get poisoned?

Polly Tommey (1:54:00.324)

No, I mean, we have faith, so Jesus is my protection, I'm good.

Ashley James (1:54:05.400)

Okay, awesome. I love it.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:54:07.936)

I can't answer any better than that. Jesus is our protection. For a while, I was receiving harassing anonymous phone calls from the CDC, but it was actually quite humorous. I mean, once I got used to it, it was just, well, hey, thanks for calling. We'll talk to you again tomorrow. It was a little inane while it was happening. It hasn't happened in quite a long time. But God's got our back.

Ashley James (1:54:40.472)

Awesome, wonderful. Polly, is there anything you want to say to wrap up today's interviews? Anything you want to make sure that we covered?

Polly Tommey (1:54:49.948)

I wish I had known this when I first became a mum, that as a mother, as a father, you are ultimately in charge of your child. No pediatrician, no doctor, no scientist, no politician. You are in charge of your child. So do not be bullied. We were all bullied into fear. Fear is what drives us all to do these things. Instead of taking a step back, you are more clever than they want you to think you are.

You don't need a medical degree to go and look up the insert and find out what it is they're about to put in your child. So please do your research, proper research, turn off mainstream media and take back control of your child because living with vaccine injury is hell. That's why Brian and I do what we do, because we want to stop you from going through what we are living with now. We love our boys and we're grateful that they survived the shock. But this is not how their life should be.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:55:48.560)

No. 100%.

Ashley James (1:55:51.436)

I too know so many families they've either lost a loved one or their child is permanently damaged. It is disgusting, it's unfair, and we're constantly lied to. This is why we have to take charge. That insert you talked about is not what the doctor prints out and hands to you. It is actually this long paper that is in the box with the vial. You have to ask for that.

When you start to research each individual ingredient that's in any vaccine, if you ingested any of those, you would have to call poison control. It's disgusting. They're carcinogenic. I mean, we just scratched the surface today. But it's turbo cancers and blood clots that are never, ever seen before. People who are the embalmers, the morticians.

Especially in Canada, there's a whole group of morticians who are saying, because they were really severe in Canada, that's where I'm from, they're really severe with pushing the way they push the vaccines and the way they used fear. They were totally against the Nuremberg code. The mortician said, I've been a mortician 30 years, 40 years, never once have I seen blood clots that were this way. It's a new thing we have never seen in humans before. That's from the COVID vaccines that we have. These horrific cardiovascular events and in death we're seeing it as they pull out these giant long clots that are fibrous, the body just clots up. That's what happened to my best friend. 

So many people know people who've been injured, especially from these. They overplayed their hand. They've been doing it to us for years, but they overplayed their hand and now you guys are exposing them. We need to share this information. 

Please, please, please share Children's Health Defense website, the chd.tv with those you care about, with those who have children, are going to have children, with grandmas, with grandpas, with uncles, aunts, everyone, please, please, please share that link. Tell them, go watch this with an open mind. What? If someone is not willing to even, those anti-vaxxers, I'm not going to watch that. If someone's not willing to watch it, you ask to say, do you have a belief system that is grounded in science or do you have dogma? Because if you're not willing to look at the other side with an open mind, then you don't have a belief system. You have dogma. You don't have an educated-based belief system. So we have to help people because so many children are dying or suffering needlessly. So thank you for the work that you guys are doing. Everyone's got to go see the third Vaxxed documentary, but really all three. I so appreciate you guys. I'd love to have you back on the show. Please come back when you have more to share. I'd be so honored to have you back.

Polly Tommey (1:58:55.995)

Thank you for having us.

Dr. Brian Hooker (1:58:58.531)

Absolutely, thank you so much.

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