543: Told She’d Die by 50–Now Thriving at 64 Naturally

After decades of chronic illness, 40+ diagnoses, and 37 daily medications, Michelle Ford Busath found true healing through holistic nutrition. In this powerful episode of the Learn True Health podcast, she shares how discovering the 90 essential nutrients reversed her symptoms, restored her health, and reignited hope. Her journey is a must-hear for anyone seeking lasting wellness beyond prescriptions.

Highlights:

• Michelle Ford Busath was on 37 medications daily and had over 40 diagnoses before healing holistically.
• She discovered the 90 essential nutrients in 2018 and saw results within 24 hours.
• In 27 months, Michelle got off all meds except insulin for type 1 diabetes.
• She warns against fractionated supplements, saying whole nutrition is essential.
• Doctors misdiagnosed her B1 deficiency as brittle diabetes for decades.
• She unknowingly consumed gluten in pills, worsening her celiac and leaky gut.
• Michelle reversed diabetic retinopathy, healed her heart, and regrew her hair.
• She believes chronic illness stems from malnutrition, not genetics or age.
• Nutrient-depleted soil is behind modern deficiencies, even in organic food.
• Michelle urges self-education and action, starting with learning about photosynthesis.

Intro:

Hello, True Health Seeker, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast. As you listen to today’s interview, it’s so moving. I love hearing stories of success.

Our guest was on 37 medications a day with dozens and dozens of diagnoses. Many of the times, the doctors didn’t even know what was wrong, so they said it was idiopathic—which is a fancy way of saying they don't know, but it sounds like they do. She suffered for years—decades. She was so sick she could hardly get out of bed, and it just got worse and worse. The medical system had nothing for her.

She turned to holistic medicine, and this is what this podcast is all about. She turned to the same doctors that I turned to—that helped me recover my health. She took the same supplements, the same whole foods, all the minerals, all the 60 minerals, all the vitamins, all the amino acids, all the fatty acids, all the antioxidants—everything the body needs. She turned to that. She cleaned up her diet with the same healing foods I was told to eat to reverse all my health issues.

You can find all this information at TakeYourSupplements.com.

As you listen to today’s interview, it will blow your mind. She was the sickest person I’ve ever heard of—and she reversed all of it. All of it. Now she only takes one medication because she’s type 1 diabetic, so she still takes insulin, but she’s off all the other medications and doing amazing. She’s the healthiest she’s been in her entire life and is absolutely thriving in her mid-60s. When you look at her, you wouldn’t even know she’s in her mid-60s.

I love this so much because her story is going to teach you, it's going to share with you, and it’s going to get into your heart. It’s going to seep into your soul, and you’re going to feel it. You’re going to feel that hope, that excitement, and that knowledge that your body can heal itself. It has a God-given ability to heal itself, and we just have to give it what it needs and stop giving it what it doesn’t need. Your body will heal itself.

Go to TakeYourSupplements.com and get on the same program that my guest today got on to reverse all her health issues.

Enjoy today’s interview because her stories blow my mind. I love it. Get her book—we talk about her book and why it’s important. She’s sharing this message of hope. So many of my friends and family, through the years, when they get diagnosed with something, they become trapped in that mental state of anguish—thinking this is it, this is the end, this is for real, this is all there is. They get stuck in that belief that their body can’t heal itself.

The first thing we have to do to heal is shift our mindset and belief system to know that we can heal. That’s why her book is so important.

Go to the show notes of today’s episode, wherever you're listening from. You can also go to LearnTrueHealth.com and get her book. The link is in the show notes. You can jump into the Facebook group—the Learn True Health Facebook group—because she’s giving away a signed copy of her book, which is really exciting. Go to LearnTrueHealth.com/group, and that will take you straight to the Facebook group.

This is one of those episodes where I don’t even have to tell you to share it. I always do—I always ask you to please share the episode with those you care about. But this time, I don’t have to. You’re going to start thinking about specific friends, family members, and coworkers—that maybe they’re suffering or have a loved one that is suffering. 

I wouldn’t have to tell you to share, I just know you will, because in your heart, you want to stop the needless suffering of millions of people, just like I do.

I was suffering. Michelle, my guest, was suffering. It’s because of this holistic health information that we ended our suffering. That’s why I do what I do—because I want to help end your suffering and all the suffering of all your loved ones.

Let’s spread that mission, that little ripple. We’re going to spread it until it becomes a tidal wave, helping millions and millions of people around the world.

So keep sharing. They say sharing is caring. I know you’re caring, so you’re sharing. Thank you so much for sharing my podcast with those you care about, because we are going to help millions to learn true health.

Welcome to the Learn True Health Podcast.

 I’m your host, Ashley James. This is episode 543.

Ashley James (0:04:59.573)

I am so excited for today's guest. We have with us author and certified holistic health coach, Michelle Ford Busath.

Now, I’m kind of beside myself because one of my very best friends, Jennifer Saltzman, told me that Michelle has the single most powerful testimonial of healing she has ever heard. I said, “Please reach out to her and see if she'd come on the show.”

I am so thrilled that we can hear your story, because it's stories like yours that help transform our idea about what it means to heal the body—to reverse disease. Disease we were told, many times by many doctors, that we would have for the rest of our lives. That we’d need medication for the rest of our lives. We can reverse those. We can no longer have those. We can achieve optimal health and healing. We can get so healthy that we feel decades younger. We can extend the quality of our life and the length of our life—in the face of all those doctors who have said we can't—we can.

Michelle is going to make you believe that.

Thank you so much for coming on the show, Michelle. Also, we’re definitely going to want you to get her book. The links to her book are going to be in the show notes of today's podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com.

This book is the kind of book you want to buy several copies of and give to your friends who maybe have a recent diagnosis, who maybe have had a recent downward spiral of health. We want to show them that we can heal. Our body can heal. We want to inspire those who are hurting, who are sick, that they can transform their lives.

Her book is a resource that’s going to help those you love.

Thank you so much, Michelle, for coming on the show today.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:07:00.424)

Absolutely. This is so exciting. My story is so overwhelming. I had to write a book about it because it's kind of like—do I tell them this part? Do I tell them that part? Where do I go? 

Ashley James (0:07:15.500)

It can't all fit into a two-hour podcast, but you can give us some highlights, which is the important part. Everyone today is going to walk away with a profound feeling in their heart—a faith that their body can heal.

I think it's still important to get your book, because all the details are in there. It's also about helping people transform their way of thinking. We've been raised in a system that makes you believe our body can't heal.

We've been taught to be slaves to a system—to bow down to a system that suppresses our true, innate healing ability. This book and your story are what’s going to help us break free, break those chains of oppression that we've been born into.

This medical system is designed to keep us sick and to keep us believing we can’t heal.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:08:12.506)

That's true. So just to give you a little background—it's all explained in the book—I was born in Sacramento, California, but we lived in Ione. Then my parents moved to Placerville, and I grew up pretty much normal.

But then I started getting sick after the military showed up at our school to give us the new DTP vaccine. I started vomiting, feeling sick to my stomach, and my mom kept taking me to the doctor. I would miss the morning at school, and this was second grade.

The doctor said, “Well, she just has an aversion to school. I think it's emotional.”

Ashley James (0:08:53.782)

My gosh. Yes, it wouldn’t be a vaccine injury. We don’t see any of those.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:08:58.188)

No, of course not. Of course not. We didn’t even know there was such a thing back then at all. But I know that’s when it began.

They had this new air gun that I never saw again after that, where they used air to inject the DTP vaccine into us. On December 1st this was the fall of the school year for the second grade, we went back to Utah for Thanksgiving. When we got there, I just drank tons and tons of water. It was just awful.

I went comatose on November 30th, and then on December 1st, they diagnosed me with type 1 diabetes. That was my foray into controlled medicine. Kaiser had just opened up in Sacramento, and we were living in Placerville. But since Dad worked for the military—he was a professional engineer with the Army Corps—that was the hospital we used.

The whole thing, the testing with the urine—there weren’t blood tests back then, by the way. I learned to use a chemistry set to test my urine to find out what my blood sugar level was. Then there were the injections—oh my gosh.

The doctors kept telling my mom, “You’re a horrible mother,” because I kept ending up in the hospital and they had to regulate me. My mom would just cry and say, “I don’t know what I’m doing wrong.” She worked with a dietitian and had her convert all my recipes to exchanges. She had them up on the wall so you could read them, and we knew how much I was supposed to eat. That’s how detailed my mom was. I was like, oh my gosh.

She showed up at the hospital after one of my regulating times there which was two weeks long. I was out in the hallway, with an IV in my arm again, unconscious. She was coming to pick me up, from Placerville all the way down to Sacramento. She said, “What’s going on?” She was frantic.

The doctors said, “Well, your daughter isn’t a normal type 1. We think she’s a brittle diabetic. We’re going to call her a brittle diabetic. We’re so sorry for how we’ve treated you. Now we know what you’ve been going through.”

Ashley James (0:11:43.230)

At least they apologized. That’s a lot. 

Michelle Ford Busath (0:11:47.422)

Yes, that doctor did. I went from one specialist to three. I transitioned from doctor to doctor to doctor over three years. Eventually, my mom and I got it down. We ignored the doctors after that and just figured it out and got on a schedule.

Pretty much, other than not being invited to friends’ homes—because the parents were afraid. Number one, I was contagious. Number two, if I had an episode, they didn’t think they’d be able to help me. So I was isolated from overnight parties, birthday parties, because I couldn’t eat sugar.

But it didn’t seem to matter because of how Mom focused me. She said, “Okay, we’ve got a problem.”

We have to find a solution. So she was solution-based. You could tell that from the recipes on the wall and all that.

I got very good at numbers, Chemistry, and had a blast. I graduated with honors from high school and went through an accelerated program in junior high as well.

I didn’t start really having any other issues. I had an appendectomy in eighth grade, right at my graduation, so I missed my graduation dance—but that’s life.

I didn’t have any major issues after that until I got married. Four years later, I started having a family. Then, I was thrown into it, you’d go to the hospital to find out if you were pregnant by a blood test. When I came in, they said, “You have to come in for an appointment. We have to have a talk.” I said, “Well, am I pregnant or not?” They said, “Oh no, you have to come in. You have to bring your husband.” This was my first husband. I said, “Okay.”

So I go in, and they say, “You’re a type 1 diabetic.” I said, “No duh.”

They said, “Your RH factor means you could have an allergy to your child.” I said, “Okay.” Then they said, “Because you’re high risk, we have to have an internist follow your case. You’re going to have three appointments a week.”

I said, “You’re kidding.” They said, “No. And we need you to use these test strips for your urine.” They sent me home with two bags full of stuff. Then I started my three-a-week appointments for the next 36 weeks. My gosh.

Then I had preeclampsia. That was when the control started, and I just thought that’s the way it had to be.

So that’s my beginning of illnesses. 

Ashley James (0:14:56.954)

So the illnesses began around your first pregnancy.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:15:06.890)
I just got so tired, and they said, “Well, we don’t know why you’re tired.” So they prescribed more prenatal vitamins, but I was just so fatigued. Then the preeclampsia set in, and I lost most of my hair. I didn’t just lose the hair on my head—I lost my leg hair, pubic hair, underarm hair, all of it. My eyebrows too. I looked like a skinned rabbit on my head.

They said, “Well, we don’t know why you’re so tired.” It was kind of interesting.

I went through a divorce after my third son was born. I had three children in four years, and it was just overwhelming. I mean, why wouldn’t you have a hard time with the marriage during that event?

I became a single mom, and I never had energy. I was always tired, and now I was working full time to support the kids on my own.

Ashley James (0:16:12.242)

Did your hair ever come back?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:16:15.578)

It did a little bit, but it was thin. I had balding areas all over. I could comb it and spray it so that it didn’t really show much, but it was very thin.

Ashley James (0:16:28.914)

What did the doctors say when your hair fell out? When your hair grew back only a little bit, did the doctors have anything for you?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:16:36.790)

Nope. Cortisone—and they would give me different shampoos to try and stuff—but nothing worked.

Then all the prescriptions started. The cortisone, when I started having skin eruptions—I said, “What’s going on with that?” They said, “Well, we don’t know what to tell you about that.”

So this is progressing.

Then I met my husband. We got married and combined our families of five children. They were ages three, four, five, six, and seven when we got married.

Yes, it was interesting. Then we had the exes to deal with and the transporting back and forth on two separate sides of town. To go from my ex to his ex with the children was an hour and fifteen minutes.

Then there were the school schedules. With ages three, four, five, six, and seven, it was just overwhelming. I just got really tired. Really tired.

Ashley James (0:17:46.926)

You blame the tired on, “Well, this is just life. I’ve got a lot of kids. I’ve got a lot of stress. That’s probably why I’m tired.”

Did the doctors ever say, “Well, maybe you just lost hair because of stress”? I mean, did they offer an explanation, or were they alarmed about it?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:18:08.802)

Well, they said, “A lot of moms lose a lot of hair when they're pregnant and when they have the baby. That’s not unusual.”

I said, “But shouldn't I be feeling better by now?”

Then my blood sugars—I couldn’t control them anymore. For diabetics out there, you’ll know what I mean when I say hemoglobin A1C. I had always been in the low range. It didn’t even register that I was diabetic. I was 4.3 and 5.1. Until you get above 5.8, they don’t worry about you. They said, “Oh, you’re the best patient ever.”

But I was so fatigued.

Then, in 1998, it went up to 8.5. The doctor said, “Okay, something’s up. Something’s going on.” He said, “We’re going to disable you from work, so you can’t work anymore.”

I was working for a law firm at that time as their accountant and their network administrator. They had three offices. So I was responsible for all of that—flights, going down and across. I just couldn’t do it anymore.

The receptionist—the office manager—would call in the morning and say, “Are you coming to work today?”
And I would still be asleep. My kids were old enough to get themselves off to school.
She’d ask, “Are you okay?”
I’d say, “I don’t know.”

Then the regimen of all the tests began—the MRIs, the CT scans, the blood work.

Finally, on September 30th, 2004, John and I got called in. We're going to go over all the test results. The doctor says, “We can’t find anything wrong. We don’t know why your wife is tired. We don’t know why her A1Cs are out of sorts. Must be what she’s eating. We don’t know why she’s so tired.”

John, watching this downward spiral, says, “Well, how old do you think my wife will live to be, being a type 1 diabetic? Because she’s told me she’s going to die at 50. That’s what they’ve told her.”

The doctor says, “According to the test results, she could live to be 75.”

Two days later, I'm diagnosed with a heart attack, a widow maker, and I'm in the hospital getting one stent put in. But I needed two, but the emergency—going to the closest hospital—my insurance would only authorize one stent, not two, because the other one, I was only blocked 96%. So I had to have two angiograms to put in stents two weeks apart, one in the emergency hospital and one on my own. It was covered under my medical plan.

Then—yes—then the drugs. My gosh. They sent me home with, at that time—it’s in my book. After I wrote it down, then I didn’t remember it anymore, but I used to remember all of it. 

So Chapter Two specifically is every diagnosis from my appendectomy in eighth grade through my recovery. So it's all there.

But I had 15 specialists, a primary care doctor. I was diagnosed with over 40 different diagnoses, and all of them are gone except for the insulin-dependent diabetes that—do you want to know what that is? Not really type one. It is beriberi.

So when you get a vaccine, one of the injuries is it removes your ability to develop and create your own transketolase, which helps the aminos regulate and the liver telling how much insulin you need and then regulating the glycation of the sugars in the body. So when your liver doesn’t recognize and have this function, You cannot absorb thiamine.

So with this heart attack, this was the death spiral of beriberi. Do you know what beriberi means in Swahili?

I can’t. I can’t.

Ashley James (0:23:05.298)

And that's how you felt for years. You had a B1 deficiency for years, and all those doctors, all those tests—they couldn’t figure it out. It’s like Humpty Dumpty. They just couldn’t. They couldn’t figure it out.

We put them on a pedestal. They put themselves on a pedestal. They tell us through all their marketing and PR that they know everything. Then they go on campaigns to suppress, to mock, and to make us disbelieve any “alternative medicine”. Anything that isn’t allopathic, drug-based medicine.

They’ve been caught. The AMA has been caught doing intentional PR slander campaigns—just like one big company, like a cigarette company, would go after another cigarette company. Or one food company.

It’s funny when Coca-Cola and Pepsi have their little war against each other, but this happens all the time. This corporate espionage goes around and tries to sway the public’s view against the competition.

For years—decades and decades and decades—the AMA and other organizations that all want to protect the profits of the pharmaceutical industrial complex, they made us believe they’re the only ones with the answers, and that all other forms of medicine are quackery.

They couldn’t figure out a simple B1 deficiency.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:24:52.629)

B1 deficiency, I know. They called it brittle diabetes because they didn’t know how to, number one, diagnose it—because they aren’t taught about nutrition and the importance of it at all. Part of my major deficiencies was not just B1 absorption, but it was also calcium and magnesium dysregulation. That is what causes the preeclampsia.

By the end of this whole thing, God led me to healing—I was on 26 oral prescriptions of medication, 39 pills a day.

Every time I would ask the doctors, as they started adding them on, I said, “Well, I’m having this side effect from this one.” The first ones were the ones for the heart.

They said, “Well, we’re going to regulate that with another one.”

I said, “Do you think that’s a good idea?”

They said, “Do you have an M.D. behind your name?”

I said, “Well, no.”

They said, “This is how we handle it. This is what we do. We just have to regulate you.”

I said, “But I feel nauseous and I’m throwing up.”

“Well, we’ll give you this for that.”

It just kept going on and on.

Then I started having horrible rashes, and then they started not even calling it a rash anymore. Then it is—get this—idiopathic urticaria.

That means that you have a rash of unknown cause.

Ashley James (0:26:37.932)

Anytime you hear idiopathic, you need to start laughing because it sounds fancy. It sounds like the doctors know how to kill me. It means the doctor doesn't know what's going on—but in fancy words.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:26:52.468)

My friend and I call doctors that say that now? We call them the idiopaths.

Ashley James (0:27:10.040)

No, that's great. Thank you. I'm going to take that one. I'll credit you, but I think I'm going to use that one from now on. I love it.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:27:20.121)

It was just crazy. So I think it's Chapter Three or Four—I go through the healing. I don't really talk about the progression of when the doctors went away, but with mind, body, and spirit learning about homeopathy. I need to tell you about that.

I haven't talked about what God did to bring me to that. So as the diagnoses continued, a functional medicine doctor says, “Well, we can heal you using nutrition,” and nothing else had worked. I thought, well, why not?

So after the celiac disease diagnoses—because my hemoglobin level kept dropping low, which means there's not enough iron to give you oxygen—I was tired. So they found out I had celiac disease.

Three months later, after an upper or lower GI, the gastroenterologist calls and says, “How are you doing on your diet?”

I said, “Are you talking about my cardiac diet or my diabetic diet?”

He goes, “No, your gluten-free diet.”

I started bawling. That was just one more thing to add to it. It’s like, really?

Then this functional medicine doctor got a hold of me, and she said, “I think we can heal you of the celiac disease using nutrition.”

Ashley James (0:29:05.397)

Who diagnosed you with celiac?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:29:14.473)

That was the gastroenterologist.

Ashley James (0:29:16.751)

Okay, and how did they know to send you to the gastroenterologist?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:29:22.357)

They believed that I had a bleed inside, that I had a hole somewhere, because I was having to have blood transfusions about every four months. The first one was two pints—or two units, not pints, two units. That’s what they call them. It doesn’t happen quickly. 

Ashley James (0:29:50.633)

I have a leak in my oil pan. Just found out—my car is in the shop. But there's no oil on the floor. There's no oil on the garage floor. I'm like, “Yes, they want me to pay $900. They want me to replace the oil pan. My car isn't that old.” I'm like, “What leak? I don't see a leak.” They're like, “Well, it's a slow leak.” I'm like, “Okay, maybe not. Maybe not worth $900 yet for a slow leak.”

But so you had a slow leak somewhere. That's kind of bizarre though. I think that's beautiful though, that if you hadn't got sent to the gastroenterologist, they wouldn't have diagnosed you as celiac. And it's like, hello—she went bald. Hello. You had skin eruptions. You had all these classic signs. But again, they just didn't know as much. They still don't. Many doctors still don't.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:30:47.175)

That was a whole thing in and of itself. I said, “So how do you know it's celiac disease?” And he says, “Well, you have 43 bleeding ulcers in your small intestine that are all precancerous, and we biopsied all of them.”

And I said, “So what does that mean?” I mean, I had no idea.

He says, “Well, they call it leaky gut.”

And I said, “So what does that mean?”

He says, “Well, we're not really sure.”

And I said, “Well, what does that mean?”

He says, “Well, we're just starting to learn about celiac and gluten intolerance.” He said, “It's new.”

It was like, my gosh.

So yes, I was lost in the system that they told me worked—but didn’t.

Ashley James (0:31:44.651)

Did you notice anything shift for you when you started avoiding barley, wheat, and rye?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:31:53.527)

Well, you would think so. I never, ever, ever on purpose from that day forward—March 26th, 2013—ate gluten. So I go to my doctor six months later, and he says, “You're still eating gluten.”

I said, “I am not.”

He says, “You are.”

I said, “I am not.”

Well, they found out that the pills—at that time I was on 39 pills a day of prescriptions—those were being bound, pressed into the little teeny things, using gluten.

Ashley James (0:32:36.729)

That's half a cup of pills, or is it a cup of pills?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:32:41.665)

Yes, it's about a cup and a half of pills.

Ashley James (0:32:44.871)

A cup and a half, so you're having  a cup of flour every day.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:32:48.877)

Yes, and I was on a water-restricted diet because of the heart, so I became very creative about taking my medication—using yogurt and swallowing them with my food.

Ashley James (0:33:03.413)

Never would I think to look at medication as a source of wheat. I wouldn't put it past them—but the little things, like toothpaste. A girl died of an allergy. I think it was a wheat allergy with some anaphylactic reaction, but it was in her toothpaste. Her gums bled, and it got in her system.

Yes, wheat can be in really weird places—even shampoo.

You have to actually get wheat free shampoo. It's weird how it kind of gets in everything. It's used as filler.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:33:43.489)

Yes, it is. Some people think that if it says it's gluten-free, it is. But DiGiorno pizza makes a gluten-free pizza. It may have been rejected now, but back when things were gluten-free—and I would be thrilled when it was because I could eat something more that was readily available—they said, “We use a gluten protein, but it's under 50 parts per million.”

We already had figured out that I have to be under 20 parts per million because I'm so sensitive. I vomit. So we know that when I'm vomiting, and then after that the skin eruptions, and then major diarrhea—all that—that I've been glutened. That’s what we call it.

So I'm kind of the regulator for the industry now, finding out what products have gluten in them when they're “gluten-free.”

Ashley James (0:34:46.425)

Have you heard of the dogs, the service dogs that can actually smell gluten?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:34:50.961)

I just heard about that from one of our homeless people that we work with. It is. I need to get a service animal. 

Ashley James (0:35:01.237)

Isn't that so cool?

We need to get you a service animal. They can also be trained to smell ketoacidosis, and they can smell other things that can alert you medically. So neat. So neat.

You had mentioned one of your homeless people had turned you on to the fact that there are these dogs that do this. We haven't mentioned yet, but you are an advocate for homeless outreach. I definitely want to talk about that at some point in our interview.

But right now, I feel like we're still in the suspense of your story.

So you figure out that all these medications have wheat in them, and you have a slow leak—like my car does—and you're miserable, you're exhausted.

You’d mentioned you throw up now when you've been glutened, but back then when you were eating gluten, you weren't throwing up. 

Michelle Ford Busath (0:36:06.199)

I was, but I was on medication called Regalin to prevent the vomiting.

Ashley James (0:36:12.405)

So the doctors were, gee, don't know why you're vomiting, but here's a pill to make you stop vomiting.

Can you see that this is so maddening? I'm speaking to the listener here because it's, of course, you know you've lived it. But do you see how it's so maddening that the doctors are, well, they're all idiopaths when it came to your illnesses, but they're like, let's just stop you from vomiting?

My first gut instinct would be—we need to figure out why you're vomiting. What you're eating. There's something you're eating your body is rejecting. Why are we just suppressing the body's innate intelligence here? It's rejecting something. Why are we suppressing this? It's wild, but that's how the medical system works.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:37:00.941)

Yes. They believe that we are a bag of bones getting ready to break at any time. That’s why we have to have insurance to pay for when the catastrophic disease occurs.

Well, I had all those catastrophic diseases except cancer—pre-cancer, but not cancer. I know, thank God. But it wasn't because they were profaned.

They had no clue and they said, “Well, we can give you another pill to treat that.”

This progressed, and I was diagnosed with an immune deficiency that could possibly lead to my death. But that wasn't as bad as when, in July of 2018, I was diagnosed with Addison’s disease—non-genetic Addison’s disease.

I said, “But is that possible? I thought everything was genetic. You've told me that diabetes is genetic. My celiac disease is genetic. My hair falling out is genetic. You've told me everything is genetic. So how can a terminal illness not be genetic?”

That was after my dad died, and that was a whole other thing. I really started questioning and asking them questions. I kept being told, “You're not a doctor. You don't understand.”

Well, excuse me. I have a very high intelligence. I understand chemistry. I understand more about regulating blood sugar with insulin and diet than any other doctor does, because I’ve been alive for so long with the disease. It was 57 years, December 1st last year.

When I went into the hospital during that time, they would let me take care of myself, diabetic-wise, because they didn’t know how to do it. Because I was a brittle diabetic.

Ashley James (0:39:08.876)

But your diabetes was actually a vaccine injury that caused beriberi.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:39:17.812)

Yes. It was the pertussis part of the DTP. That’s a whole other story if you want to delve into that a little bit, but probably not in this podcast.

Ashley James (0:39:27.288)

Oh man, I definitely do. You are welcome back anytime. Let's go down that rabbit hole.

So, okay, here we are. You’re taking a cup and a half of pills a day on a water restriction. Oh my gosh. You’re still feeling miserable. You still have a slow leak. Your gut looks like a minefield. Your intestines look like a minefield. You’ve been so strict about avoiding barley, wheat, and rye.

What’s the solution if all of your pills are your poison? I mean, we already knew they were poison, but now we really know. Now your doctors know they’re your poison because there’s wheat in them.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:40:14.791)

Yes, well, so what they did for these people with gluten intolerance is they started binding with flour. Then I developed a flour intolerance, not flour—I'm sorry, potato flour. I have to define that there. Now I have a potato intolerance.

They always try to come up with a solution so you can still take your pills. The worst part about all this is it was a slow decline into complete disability and being in bed 23 hours a day. The only time I got up was to sit up to eat, to go to the bathroom, and to take my pills. I had an alarm on my phone, an actual application that would tell me.

I had to start taking my medication at six o’clock in the morning and continue throughout the day. Some had to be taken before food, some after food, some two hours apart from everything else. It was a defined regimen. I was a good little patient and I did what I was told.

Then I started questioning it. Every time I would question, they would just throw the MD at me. I was getting kind of frustrated. I only shower every other month. I was too weak. When I would get up and stand up, I would pass out and then break another bone.

The medications they give you for osteoporosis cause brittle bone disease and necrosis of the bones. They don't tell you that. They just want to make your bones dense by stopping your bone from remodeling normally. It’s just the most crazy thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

I did win a lawsuit against the Reglin. But my gosh, I was the one that got the information together about it. The attorneys were worthless. They were into the class action thing, but it was quite substantial because I kept such good records.

But then I ran out of the money that I was using. That’s what I used to buy the nutrition that was functional medicine. I'm telling you, functional medicine—one mineral or vitamin at a time in a separate bottle—does not work. You must, you must take it in a formulation that does the body good.

I will beat that to the ground until I die. Because this world is a mortal world. That’s just the way it is. But we don’t have to be in bed sick. We should be vibrant and living and enjoying life. 

So my dad died in 2012. He went into the dermatologist and they said, you have a basal cell carcinoma on the top of your head. Let's remove that. So they removed it. Well, evidently they used something to remove it that pushed him into anaphylaxis.

He didn’t know he was in anaphylaxis until four hours later because the area where they removed it swelled on the top of his head. So come October 31st, he actually looked like a ghoul. He didn’t have to dress up for Halloween. Then he died early in the morning on November 1st. I just said, how is this possible?

My dad and I used to listen to a radio show together all the time. Especially when I was sick and he'd come pick me up and say, hey, you want to listen to a radio show? At that point, he couldn’t pick me up anymore because he had macular degeneration and couldn’t drive, which he was very frustrated about. Occasionally, John would drop me off—my husband—on the way to work, and Dad and I would sit together and still listen to this radio show.

When we weren’t together, we would talk on the phone and listen to the radio show. One day after Dad had died, I kept up the mantra of listening to the radio show. It kept me close to Dad. But that day, the host wasn’t on and it was like, man. Another retired doctor was on, interviewing a naturopathic doctor. I go, what is that?

They were talking about how we have a mind, body, and a spirit—a soul—and we are whole. Our body has the innate ability to heal. He said, I’ll give you an example. If you cut your finger, it’ll heal. If you burn your hand or go out in the sun and get too much sunshine and get a sunburn, your body heals in about 10 days. He said, your body can heal. We have evidence of it every single day. He said, so why would you believe that you can’t heal?

Then he talked about the 90 essential nutrients—60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, and two fatty acids. I had never heard this ever in my life, and I’d been looking for a long time. That was November 10th, 2018, that I heard that, after my July diagnosis of Addison’s—non-genetic Addison’s—terminal illness. That was my turning point.

What amazed me is that I got my nutrition. I started it on December 1st, 2018. That was the anniversary of being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I mean, isn’t that amazing?

Ashley James (0:46:44.327)

Wow. That is amazing. So you started on the nutrition, ensuring that every cell in your body—all 37.2 trillion cells—were finally being bathed in every single nutrient required for optimal health on December 1st.

Walk us through the first 24 hours. What did you feel 24 hours after? Refinely receiving for the first time in your life all the nutrients your body needs.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:47:14.403)

Well, I actually took a shower the next day all by myself, which was just unheard of. It wasn't so much how I felt when I took it—it was how I felt when I didn’t take it.

Then the medication became too strong—the prescription medication. So I used doctors and pharmacists and started weaning off, and I got on different calls about the nutrition to find out how to wean off as well. In 27 months, I had weaned off every single prescription medication except for insulin. All 26.

That also included the inhalers, the nebulizers, the infusions, the salves, the creams, the eye drops. So yes. That was in addition to the 26 prescriptions of oral medication.

Ashley James (0:48:21.079)

Well, I asked about the first 24 hours, but I wanted to see if you could give us a play-by-play of as the lights turned on. So the first 24 hours, you independently took a shower, and that must have been a revelation. Something's working. You knew in your spirit when you first heard the term 90 essential nutrients and the breakdown of why we need it and how the delivery system of how we need it.

I had the very same experience. I finally have this final piece that I've been looking for. It's this faith—this knowing in your spirit—that this is going to work.

But then you have a physical experience of your body healing.

Quickly. This doesn't take months. This doesn't take years. This is 24 hours into your first 24 hours of optimizing intracellular nutrition.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:49:30.529)

Yes, I will say that it was the first time in years I felt full from my morning drink. It was, oh gosh, that tasted great. But I was on a regiment, and I knew that if I took more than I had ordered, I would run out, and I wasn't going to run out.

So every month, my auto-ship came in. And after eight months—guess what? The Addison's disease just disappeared.

Ashley James (0:50:05.684)

I love it. Give us some more examples of the lights coming on for you after the first 24 hours. What did you notice in the first few days or first week?

Michelle Ford Busath (0:50:16.760)

I could see color again. I could go out into the sunshine and not have it hurt my eyes. I could walk around without falling down.

It was like the light turned back on, if that makes sense. I was very obedient, and I knew this was my trip.

I had major food allergies at that point. They worked with me to refund me on one thing. They said to give it to someone else to take and then they recommended another product. The one that I was taking had something else in it that I couldn’t eat because when you have a leaky gut, you develop allergies to not just the gluten, but the food that leaks into your gut that has protein still in it that's undigested. So people with food allergies now know how you get them.

But it's incredible. The nutrition from this company comes in all different shapes and sizes created just for you. There are people there that know how to coach you through it. It's great.

In fact, Jennifer does that. She does.

Ashley James (0:51:46.073)

Yes. So take your supplements. I actually, up until this point, never met someone with a more severe story than mine. That's why I was so excited to interview you because I had so many issues, and your first day and your first week, and a few days in that week, your description is so similar to my own experience. I had type two diabetes, chronic adrenal fatigue. I had polycystic ovarian syndrome and infertility. I was told I'd never have kids by the doctors, the endocrinologists that know better. I'd never have kids.

Then, before I had discovered these naturopathic mentors and discovered these protocols, I had been playing around with trying to get healthy because I was so exhausted. The Addison's disease. I was so exhausted all the time with the chronic adrenal fatigue. Sorry.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:52:57.194)

I was going to say, but it's all in your head.

Ashley James (0:53:00.421)

Oh, yes. Well, I'd found a functional medicine doctor back in 2008 in Las Vegas, where I was living then. Amazing doctor. She actually gave up her license as an MD when she realized that she was just a drug pusher. She had been in the Olympics a few times, and she was all about nutrition.

She was the one that helped me, through labs, figure out that I had chronic adrenal fatigue so bad—it was so bad—that my highest cortisol was a normal person's lowest cortisol. So when someone is sleeping in the middle of the night, your lowest cortisol, that was my highest. I was barely functional. I was in my 20s. You're supposed to be vibrant in your 20s, and I was just pushing so hard.

I felt so bad because, again, it's all in my head.

What I also had developed was chronic infections, and so I was on constant antibiotics for them. I got rid of those before I discovered the 90 essential nutrients, by way of playing with my diet. I went organic and I shopped the perimeter of the grocery store—just eating real food, not packaged food.

So inadvertently, I began going gluten-free because I'm shopping the perimeter—just basically fruits, vegetables, meat, that kind of thing, and dairy at the time. No processed food. No shopping down the aisles. Then choosing organic. Within one month, all my chronic infections went away.

I thought, man, how much poison is in our food? Honestly, how much poison is in our food? That my immune system suffered so greatly—and how many people out there would not get the cold and the flu if they just ate real food and also chose organic? Because our food supply is poisoned now. It's not what it was when we were kids. It's just wild how we can't trust. We can't just blindly trust that when you're walking down the aisle, you cannot trust things in packages. You could never trust, but this is just it. It's a free market, and so it's buyer beware.

But we grew up with the marketing of Tony the Tiger, and we have this warm fuzzy feeling toward these nostalgic characters. They make us feel safe. So we grew up feeling safe around foods, and it's 100% brainwashing, just the same way we've been brainwashed around the medical complex. It's a for-profit and it's a not-for-your-health system. It's built to profit off of your being sick.

Not one medical doctor in any medical school is ever taught how to heal—how to help your body heal chronic disease. We're not taught that.

Now, I appreciate that there's a system of medicine to save my life if I'm having a widowmaker heart attack, God forbid, or if I'm in a car crash and I break bones. I am so grateful that medicine is there. But that medicine tries to usurp all the other types of medicine, and they're just bad at it. Because they are not.

So this is what we have to say: Don't take your car to your plumber.

The medical doctors are not taught, but they also don't know their own limits. And that's the problem.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:56:43.909)

So I'm going to go one step further with the food thing. So we are trained as we go to school, me as a child, that this is the school lunch and this is what they feed everybody now. So kids just learn, this is what we're supposed to eat. Then they make our kids sick by feeding them what they put in the school lunches.

Ashley James (0:57:10.915)

Which is worse than prison food.

Yes, worse than prison food. Absolutely. We were taught in school that a pizza is a serving of vegetables. Pizza. I'm getting my serving of vegetables today because I'm having pizza. There's tomato sauce on it. There's maybe some red peppers on it or there's some bell peppers on it. Okay, here's an olive. 

You can have a slice of pizza, and that's healthy, and that's your serving of vegetables. That is what we were taught in school.

Michelle Ford Busath (0:57:43.216)

Yes. The diet—the pyramid diet. What a joke. That's completely wrong. I lived that diet, and I did not get better.

I am just amazed that God allowed me to stay alive long enough to tell people about this. It's all based on faith.

In Hebrews chapter 11, they call that the faith chapter. My family was very religious, and my father was a bishop multiple times. We were taught that God doesn't give us anything that we can't overcome emotionally and physically if we trust in Him.

God decides when He takes us home. That isn't our call. We cannot dictate to God. We could try, but it doesn't work very well.

So I've always gone with that. It talks about how the weakness will be used as a strength. So my weakness of illness now is my strength of teaching others the way through and away from what I was put into.

Ashley James (0:59:14.057)

I love it. I love it so much.

When I first got the minerals—just because of the way I placed the order—I actually only got the minerals first. I didn't even get the vitamins and the minerals and the amino acids, the whole package that comes together. I just got the trace minerals.

Just to give you the context of where I was—I was so hungry. I didn’t know it, but I had pica or cribbing. I was so hungry. You said you were finally full. I was never full. I was constantly hungry. I would cry. So many times I would cry. I'd cry myself to sleep.

This is in my twenties and my early thirties. I'd cry myself to sleep, and we’d be running an errand—I’d have eaten at home—and we’d be running an errand, and that hunger would hit, and it would be so painful that I'd say, “Pull over to the next whatever. I don't care.”

I don’t even like fast food. I have food I love, and usually it’s Asian food. But fast food? No. Not going to love it. I don’t crave it. I don’t think about it. Oh, thank God. Thank God. I’m just so happy I don’t crave fast food. But I would just have to have something.

That constant hunger—it would drive me nuts because we would have to stop for impromptu meals in between meals. And I would just be driven nuts.

Why was I so hungry all the time?

That was my body starving for nutrition. Because we’re eating empty calories. You can fill yourself up all day long with calories, and there’s going to be some fat and protein and carbohydrates—those are the major nutrients—but what’s missing are all the micronutrients.

We are missing the 60 minerals.

So the first thing I got was just the minerals. Just because of how I placed my order, I ended up placing two orders and so the thing came first. So my husband and I had one bottle—just one, between the two of us, and it was $24.

Here's the thing—we were trying to make it last. I was, okay, I took one shot of it, took an ounce of it in the morning. He took an ounce of it in the morning, okay. So we had a home-based business, it was the eBay business. We had tons of fun doing this. This was before we had our son.

I remember working in the living room and he looked over at me, and I remember exactly where I was sitting and the sunlight was coming through. He looks at me and he goes, “It’s 2 p.m., and you haven’t eaten all day.”

I looked at him and I burst into tears of joy because I checked inside my body and I went, “I'm not hungry.” And I could not remember—it had been decades—I could not remember the last time I wasn’t hungry. And that was with just the first shot of the minerals. It hit me. My gosh.

I looked up at him and he was sneaking another shot from the kitchen, from the fridge. And I’m like, “No, we’re supposed to make this last!” And we both felt—this is working.

My adrenal exhaustion was so bad that I couldn’t wake up till 11 in the morning just because my cortisol was so gone. I couldn’t really process human language in the morning until several shots of coffee and just finally waking up. He talked to me, and I’m like, “I can’t even hear him.” It would just be womp, womp, womp, womp.

That was my life for years. So this is five days into the minerals alone. I’m just about to get my order of the rest of the vitamins—just the complete 90—but just the minerals, just the trace minerals alone.

I wake up at 5:30 in the morning, wide awake, full of energy. I jump on top of him and I’m staring at him, smiling. And he looks up at me—because he’s a morning person, so he’s fine. I’m waking him up, he’s happy—and he looks at me and goes, “I don’t know who you are. You’re not the woman I married, but I am going to keep you.”

We went for a walk and we were full of energy. And I’m like, five days—my body was buzzing. It felt like light was coming out of my cells. It felt like buzzing.

That’s when I knew—five days into this—that’s when I knew I was changing careers. I knew that I had to help people and get people on this.

We talked to two of our best friends who didn’t live near us anymore. One of them lived in California, the other in Canada. We called them both up and they both had health issues. We got them on the right protocols and their health issues resolved just as fast. And we were like, my gosh, this is amazing. We've been pinching ourselves for a few months. We were pinching ourselves.

I have this affinity for the fact that we can heal ourselves. We want to share this information so that you can heal yourself.

And I love your story because I know exactly what you mean—that feeling of the lights coming on inside your body and all of a sudden, you can see color again. Every cell is vibrating and is happy again, finally getting what it needs.

A lot of people at this point are thinking, “Well, why can’t you get your nutrition from food? Why does it have to be supplements?”

These supplements are different. Maybe you could talk a little bit about that. These aren't the individual pills that you can get at Walmart or something. This isn’t a multivitamin gummy. This is plant-derived, and it’s what we’re missing because of the farming practices and because of just the way we’ve industrialized our food system.

I tried. For thousands of dollars I spent on supplements through the years, and I never felt anything shift until I had gotten on these. It is truly filling in the nutrient gaps of what we’re missing.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:05:42.352)

Well, I am so grateful that we are meeting now because you are a person after my own soul. It's amazing, isn't it? I’ll talk about the full versus the fractionated—but you were able to at least shift to good food, which brought you to a little bit of it. 

But I was sick and bad. I didn't even have that opportunity. The choice was taken away at that point. I had become a product of the medical system and been told to get my stuff in order, to get my papers in order because I was going to die soon.

I planned my funeral three times, by the way. Twice that I actually wrote it down—who was going to say the prayer, who was going to give my eulogy. I had been crocheting before my hands became crippled by their surgeries. And so I had these beautiful doilies, and I have one still wrapped up to give to whoever I had selected, with names on them.

So, I mean, this is real. People don't realize that you can get to this point, but you can rise out of that. Anything that you are not born with—if you are not born with a congenital birth defect—you can recover from it. Because my heart is whole. My heart no longer has a dead spot, which is a whole other interview.

So let me tell you about the nutrition. So when you combine, with my chemistry background, the nutrients together, it's really important that you have all the trace minerals together—God intended.

One of the best sources of minerals is from the ocean. You have to find the most pristine part of the ocean, but it's the ocean, and those are about 80 nutrients in trace amounts. That’s why they say sea salt is usually the best, because it usually contains that.

We’re going to talk a little bit about the types, the elements. So in my book, it talks about the elements on the periodic chart.

When I graduated high school with an A+ in chemistry, by the way, there were 88 elements on the periodic table, but there was a possibility of a much larger number. It wasn't until 2005 that the periodic table was full—and of all the areas in how it's set up with the minerals, the elements of the Earth.

So the minerals form some of those elements. On the periodic table, there are gases, there are ores, and there are also, ores and gases that, when combined, change into something else, which is what are called drugs. Big Pharma loves that. But what you don't know is if you take, for example, if you take zinc because you have a cold, and you take vitamin C and vitamin D3, but you don't add copper and selenium to that, you can have a stroke.

That's called fractionated nutrition. Fractionated nutrition kills. So the doctors are told, well, if someone starts having an effect because now they're taking the nutrition and their drugs are too strong, you just have to stop the nutrition then because the drugs are just fine.

Our bodies are not meant to have chemicals. Every medication that's a prescription that goes into your body has to be regulated by the liver. It has to be. So you're poisoning the liver every time you take an oral medication.

Now, there are times when you are in crisis when that is required, and that is their wheelhouse—MDs. So they can save your life when you're in crisis. However, they are not the experts at any kind of chronic disease.

Chronic disease has occurred because of malnourishment. Malnourishment, and then the functional medicine doctors giving you one vitamin or mineral or adaptogen—or CoQ10—at a time. You've got to put them all together and take them.

So this nutrition is put together with mainly the vitamins, some minerals and aminos—some aminos for the morning—and EFAs. It's made with whole food. So these products aren't made—the nutritional supplementation is made whole. We're whole—mind, body, and spirit. The body can't heal without God's medicine, which is these nutrients.

So the periodic table, I got to get a little bit on that. Ores are very difficult for our bodies to absorb. Have you heard of photosynthesis? They don't teach that much in schools anymore. I wonder why.

With my chemistry background, I understand that. Anytime you have an ore, it must be absorbed by a plant, and then it puts it in its plant-dried form that we can absorb because it's in a colloidal liquid form that is readily available.

Ashley James (1:12:09.403)

Iron, for example. If you tried to eat the dirt, go out there and munch on your garden dirt alongside your happy little worms, the dirt would go through you. 

Michelle Ford Busath (1:12:25.541)

Or it will give you constipation.

Ashley James (1:12:31.655)

Yes, I mean, it wouldn't be fun, but it wouldn't absorb into your body. We have to think of our body like a donut. From your mouth to the other end is not inside your body. We think it's inside, but it's still the outside. It's so weird to think, but it's still your digestive tract—it’s still outside of your body because it hasn't been absorbed into the body.

So if you think of yourself as a donut, one side of the donut is your mouth, the other side is the other end. We're trying to get it into the donut. So the donut hole is where our nutrition goes. But we can't digest. You cannot absorb and assimilate the minerals in this wonderful black dirt.

Let's say you had the healthiest dirt in the world that contained all the minerals—just beautiful, rich soil—and you started eating it. Your body does not have the capability of breaking it down into small enough form to absorb it so that your cells could use it.

That's where plants come in. I love their root system—they have the phytic acid to break down, and then they absorb these minerals and convert them into our food, into our intracellular food.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:13:58.949)

Yes, and into vitamins. Yes, the plants cannot make the known vitamins that they used to provide for us without the full 77 minerals in the soil.

So if you are growing vegetables out in your vegetable garden with only the three minerals that are all that's required for it to produce a fruit, you're not getting any of the vitamins that those plants are supposed to give you.

Ashley James (1:14:29.425)

Or if you purchase hydroponics. My son is eating raw leafy greens and salads and stuff. I'll grab spinach and romaine lettuce and all this kind of stuff, and he'll munch on it. But I look at it and think, this is—there's probably no iron in this because it's never seen soil in its life. It was grown hydroponically. They're not going to put all the minerals in that water because it's an industry to make money. It would cost them more money to make something nutritious and healthy for us. But man, when you garden with the 77 trace elements and minerals, it is outstanding. Food tastes like food again. It's just wild.

So the plants that have access to the right minerals—but unfortunately, our farming industry does not give that back to the plants—because they give them MPK. So our food is anemic.

Do you remember as a kid? I remember carrots tasted like candy. Now they taste like cardboard.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:15:43.171)

Yes, I remember that. Now they've actually got a different texture to them than when we were kids. I remember Swiss chard being nice to eat. Now it's woody. 

So I started using the minerals in the soil last year, and we got—my gosh—tons of pumpkins and squash and melons. The cantaloupe and the watermelons were just outstanding.

So I'm looking forward to this year and to nutrifying the soil again so that we'll have another great harvest. 

Ashley James (1:16:27.942)

I love it. Yes, it is. The farmers that do end up incorporating the minerals—they've done studies on the sugar content of the food, because the sugar content also then equates to nutrient content. The healthier the fruit, for example, the sugar content goes up.

When I say sugar, this is healthy, healthy sugar. Eating cherries, for example—and it's not even the same cherry. It's commercially grown cherries versus fully mineralized—give the minerals, all the 77 minerals to the plants and then eat their fruit. It's like you've walked into the Garden of Eden, and it tastes so good.

It's wild to see how plants respond to the nutrition, just like our bodies respond to the nutrition. This just goes to show how anemic our diet has been, and how anemic the soil has been. No wonder, no wonder our health is the way it is—because we're missing the key elements.

When you’d first started your story and you were talking about your symptoms, I was thinking, man, that sounds like mineral deficiency. Man, that sounds like nutrient deficiency. And how many people are walking around nutrient deficient?

Michelle Ford Busath (1:17:52.278)

Well, you can tell how many because they're all obese. That is the first symptom of malnourishment—obesity.

Ashley James (1:18:05.214)

I have friends—who, there's a look about their skin like it's paper that's about to peel. Their hair is very thin. They just look much older, and they look sunken. There's a look about them.

My husband and I, when we first started on this nutrient journey, we were at Costco, and we were looking at people's faces and noticing—because we noticed our faces changed within the first month of being on this protocol—being gluten-free, avoiding the 12 bad foods, and incorporating all the good foods. So it's the 90 essential nutrients plus optimizing your diet.

Within the first month, our rings started flying off our fingers. These are wedding rings that were custom-fitted. I'd be pointing or something—“Hey, look over there,” and I’d move my hand, and my rings would fly in that direction. We lost water weight. It was wild. We lost about 20, 25 pounds that first month. The water weight came off of our face, and we went from looking like Ernie to Bert. 

Honestly, it was that big of a difference. We waited a few months to get our rings resized because we didn’t want it to be a temporary thing. Then our rings needed to get resized again. So we waited, and after several months it was like, “Okay, well, that water weight isn't coming back. This inflammation in our bodies is not coming back.”

Let’s go get our rings resized. One of us went down two ring sizes—I think Duffy went down two ring sizes—I went down one and a half ring sizes in a month. In the first month. That was just wild to me, that this could shift the body in such a positive way.

But yes, that pica, or that cribbing—that needing to fill us with more calories—leads to obesity. Because you think people who are obese, surely they’re not nutrient deficient. They’re consuming 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day. But it’s, again, empty calories. And they’re doing it because their body is unconsciously, desperately trying to get all of the nutrients it needs—and it can’t.

So when you think about 70% of adult Americans are on at least one prescription medication—that statistic has probably gone up—that’s another indication of just how many people are actually walking around nutrient deficient. And their doctors—just like in your story—the doctors have no clue about nutrient deficiency at all.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:21:12.290)

No, they aren't taught. They aren't trained.

So my last appointment with the cardiologist—he had put on 60 pounds since the last time I saw him, which was 18 months prior. He says, “So how did you get this all under control?”

I said, “Well, I'm a certified holistic health coach now. I teach what I've learned about the nutrients.”

He says, “They don't teach us that in school at all.”

I said, “But you're a specialist for the heart.”

He says, “Yes. They don't teach us about that stuff.”

He said, “So you just use vitamins?”

I said, “No, it's not just vitamins. It's 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids, and two fatty acids. If you are deficient in any of them—and that's why we do it together—to make sure the body will filter out what it doesn't need. But if you don't have them, your body can't heal. The cut on your hand gets infected instead of getting better in 10 days.”

He said, “Well, that makes sense.”

Then he says, “So I'm going to write you a prescription for blood pressure medicine. It's a beta blocker because the protocol says I have to write the prescription.”

I said, “I'm not going to take that.”

Then he says, “I have to write a prescription for blood pressure.”

I said, “I'm not going to take that.”

Then he says, “I have to write a prescription for the anticoagulant because your stent will close up.”

I said, “Nope. That's a lie.”

He said, “What do you mean it's a lie? You have Boston Scientific stents. If you don't take this anticoagulant, they'll quit working. They'll stop. They'll close.”

I said, “I went to the clinical trial on those stents. There was no correlation at all with anticoagulants—they call them blood thinners sometimes—and the stents at all. I am not going to take something that gives me a rash and makes me bleed.”

He said, “Well, you don't have to take them, but I have to prescribe them, and you have to pick them up.”

I said, “Well, I guess you're fired.”

He said, “What?”

He said, “No, I don't think you understand. I can't see you if you don't do this.”

I said, “But I'm not going to do it, and I don't care. I don't need to see you. My heart's better.”

He said, “No, that's not possible.”

I said, “Do I have a normal EKG?”

“Well, yes.”

“Is my heart normal size now?”

“Yes.”

I said, “And it was confirmed that the last pain I had was because of the clamps in my chest—the titanium clamps that are now migrating—because my body's trying to get rid of them.”

“That's correct.”

I said, “So why would I continue to see you when, number one, a homeopathic remedy will affect the pain I'm having from the traveling stents, and your medication is poison, not healing?”

He said, “Well, I can't argue with that.”

I said, “Okay, see ya.”

The only doctor I have to keep—specialist—is the endocrinologist, because January 1st, 2024, they made it illegal for me to buy insulin without a prescription, short-term insulin.

Ashley James (1:25:01.623)

Who they?

Michelle Ford Busath (1:25:05.229)

Yes. FDA, CDC, and our government. Medicare.

Ashley James (1:25:12.235)

Insulin honestly should be over the counter. That is ridiculous. 

Michelle Ford Busath (1:25:16.441)

It used to be. It used to be. Because it was considered food.

So it's no longer. You know where they used to source insulin? They would go to the butcher shops and get pancreases from pigs and cows, grind them up, centrifuge out anything that they couldn't determine was insulin. So when I started on insulin, it was U40, which meant it was only 40% pure.

By the time I was in high school, it became U100. It was 100% clear. They found out how to spin it and centrifuge it to just get the insulin.

Well, then they came up with human insulin. Do you know what do they make human insulin out of?

Ashley James (1:26:00.835)

Do I wanna know?

Michelle Ford Busath (1:26:02.441)

E. coli. They change two genes through a process of formulation in the E. coli and that is human insulin.

Ashley James (1:26:15.914)

Interesting. No side effects from that versus the other? 

Michelle Ford Busath (1:26:31.450)

Oh, there are. Well, you don't have the E. coli.

Ashley James (1:26:33.566)

But what is he called  pooping out? There's got to be other byproducts in there. 

Michelle Ford Busath (1:26:39.642)

Well, it's the bacteria itself. So they engineer it. So the insulin molecule and the E. coli molecule are very close in their DNA structure. That's why they genetically engineer it. But whenever man is involved in a process to create a human hormone, there is always the error.

So I've gotten some of those vials of insulin that cause immediate problems. I would get these huge cyst-like, pussy infections. They now change the vials in this insulin where they're no longer drop-resistant. So I open up my fridge and everything falls out. That's how most of our fridges are.

So my insulin vial fell on the linoleum floor and it shattered. That shift was made also in 2024. So it's kind of, what's going on? But the good news is I've been able to go from 65 units a day down to below 20. So as Doc Wallach says—we heal in reverse. So the thing we've had the longest will take the longest to get over. But the things that are most recent will get over faster. Just like with the Addison's—eight months, it was gone. So, it happens. I got all my hair back.

So it's true. It just amazes me. I will mention this for diabetics out there, people with macular degeneration, people with cornea issues, people with dry eye, people with narrow-angle glaucoma: if you weren't born with it, you can heal from it. My diabetic retinopathy went away. The retinologist couldn't believe it.

I said, so when's my next appointment? He said, you don't need to come back. I said, what? He said, yes, you don't need to come back. Your retinas have healed.

So what happens in the back of the retina when you have really highly elevated blood sugar is the tiny capillaries back there that feed it start leaking. They're minerally deficient. So you start leaching blood.

My body healed to the point where my retinas healed, and I had perfect vision again—20/20. Well, it's actually 20/10 in one eye. So I have a great long-distance, and the other one is better for reading. Of course, I am a little older. I'm 64. But my skin has repaired. I have no more acne on my face at all.

I'm no longer yellow-looking. My sister said, I knew you were dying because you turned yellow. I look vibrant and happy. Because I am. God's medicine is incredible. You follow the coaches to coach you back to health.

It's possible. I know it because I did it. You can read in the second chapter everything I went through and now have recovered from. My only problems I'm dealing with right now are medical side effects from what they've created—including the first thing that was the pertussis part of the DTP vaccine at the age of six. 

Ashley James (1:30:43.475)

You have stents traveling in your body right now?

Michelle Ford Busath (1:30:49.081)

I still have medication. I lost a lot of weight. My last hospital stay in 2014—I weighed 173 pounds. I'm four foot eleven. My legs were swollen like crazy. I had an enlarged heart, had an irregular EKG. I had just had another heart cardiac event. That’s what they call them now, if you don’t have a high troponin level.

They said, “You just need to go home and get your things in order.”

But they did say, “We think that the reason that you're having the pain you're having this time is your potassium level is too low.”

So they gave me this little shot of potassium that was the bitterest thing I’ve ever tasted in my life. But it seemed to help.

It was a nurse that figured that out, not the doctors.

What did they put me on in that treatment?

They put me on morphine to regulate my heart chest pain.

Why would they give you a drug that knocks you out? I think it’s so you don’t complain while you’re there, so the doctors don’t have to deal with you, honestly.

Ashley James (1:32:16.487)

Yes. Well, it does. It does slow the heart rate and slows breathing down. I mean, I don't know if they do it here in the States. I imagine they do, but in Canada—because that's where I'm from originally—they use morphine to end people's lives early who are in hospice. 

I witnessed it firsthand in Canada. I had Canadian doctors tell me, “Okay, we're just going to increase your mom's morphine until we help her pass away.”

It's sad and frustrating. I interviewed a man about how the hospital system in the last four years, they ended his daughter's life, and it was complete medical malpractice. The hospitals were getting kickbacks during the COVID era for COVID deaths.

He's winning his lawsuit against them because it was absolute malpractice. The doctor decided there was a DNR on this 21-year-old—and there wasn't. Then they prescribed medications that would cause her to stop breathing—morphine and some other medication.

It was either morphine or morphine plus an anxiety drug, and the 21-year-old was not anxious. Anyway, he has a big lawsuit. But in interviewing him, we talked about the different drugs they’ll give you just to basically sedate the patient so they don’t have to deal with you.

The hospitals are overloaded, and they don’t want you to be fully awake. Then you might complain, or you might advocate for yourself—and that’s kind of a pain in the butt.

I don’t think every individual that works at a hospital is a bad person. But there are some demonic people out there, man, who make some pretty disgusting choices that end people’s lives prematurely—or at least cause them to suffer greatly.

I know I asked if those stents are still inside you—they’re still moving around, causing pain.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:34:43.211)

The stents, they're so teeny that when the body doesn't need them, they go through the bloodstream and they're filtered out by your lymphatic system.

Yes, so stents are placed so that they don't move. But they do. Because it's a little teeny barb. It's like a bottle brush. They open you up. They open up the artery.

They work. They allow your heart to grow new coronary arteries around blockage. If you look at the heart of a child, a newborn child, they have three arteries that are on the outside of the heart and that's it. But as you age, you have more coronary arteries that grow here and grow there. By the time you're 100, your heart is covered with these little micro arteries that cover it because that's where your heart gets its food and nutrition—from these coronary arteries.

So if your main arteries—the three main that feed your heart—get any blockages, your body, in its wisdom given to it by God, grows a new one around it. So the stents work. I think honestly, I had a quadruple bypass, and it took me a year and a half to get over it. If I was on the nutrients, it wouldn't have taken that long at all.

But stents are much better because they're not as invasive. They don't crack your chest open and whip out one lung on this side and one lung on that side. When they cut your chest open, it's with pruning shears, and then they spread your chest. They cut through the pericardium, which is what surrounds the heart. Then they get to the heart and stop it, put you on a heart-lung bypass machine, and then they take the heart out to operate on it.

They took an artery from my left forearm and a vein from my right leg. Then they created four grafts. The heart itself was only stopped for about 20 minutes, but the surgery took eight hours because of all of that.

In less than three years, 85% of all cardiac grafts failed.

85%.

So in 2012, that's what happened to me. I had three that failed, so they put in another stent. Well, why couldn't they have done that the first time? Why did I have to go through that surgery?

You know why?

Because it was three-quarters of a million dollars to my insurance.

Ashley James (1:37:41.287)

So hold on. Within five years, what percentage fail? 

Michelle Ford Busath (1:37:46.924)

Within three years, 85%. 

Ashley James (1:37:51.853)

Three years. 85% fail within three years. Yet, it's a cash cow. That's their boat payment.

Have you ever heard of Dr. Esselstyn?

Michelle Ford Busath (1:38:05.529)

I have not, but I'd love to learn.

Ashley James (1:38:08.265)

Yes, I want you to check out my interview with him. He wrote the book How to Reverse and Prevent Heart Disease. 

It's maddening that if you had all the information you have now—which was out there, but it wasn’t out in the mainstream—if you had all that information, you could have prevented all these things.

If the medical system wasn’t so corrupt in that their decision-making was based on how much money they’re going to make because if medical doctors actually talked about nutrition and how to heal the body—and their goal, let’s say like naturopaths—if MDs’ goal was to get you so healthy that you no longer needed them.

We’d have a seriously different world now. This is why we have to take health into our own hands. We cannot believe the lies that the system and our wellness checks are for our optimal health. They’re not.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:39:23.271)

No, that's their money system too. If a doctor gets 85%—actually, they lowered it to 83%—of his patients to get all the recommended boosters and shots, not just COVID, but all of them, flu, and now they have RSV and oh my gosh, they get a bonus–a huge bonus.

Ashley James (1:39:47.903)

Thousands of dollars. They're incentivized. They're incentivized.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:39:52.379)

Yes. So, of course they’re going to recommend it. I think it’s funny. I get calls all the time because I’m on Medicare. “You must go for this screening, and you must go for that screening.”

So after COVID, they say, “We need to do your annual evaluation.” And I said, “So is this my annual physical?” And they said, “No, it’s an evaluation. We don’t do annual physicals anymore.” I said, “What?”

I said, “Okay.” So I went in, and she just asked me a bunch of questions. It took about an hour. I said, “Well, aren’t you going to listen to my heart or use a stethoscope and listen to me breathing in my lungs or feel my abdomen?” She says, “No, we don’t do that anymore.” I said, “Then why are you here?” She says, “To ask the questions.”

That’s my primary care doctor.

Ashley James (1:40:53.031)

Make it make sense. I know—make it make sense.

So, your book—and you've got a hashtag—and I would love for us to all use your hashtag: #BecomeWholeAgain.

The link to where to purchase your book is going to be in the show notes of today’s podcast because you have a few links. I'm going to have your social links in there as well. I want listeners to connect and to get your book.

How we can repay Michelle today is by giving her a five-star review on her book wherever you buy it from. It's on Amazon. It's actually in a lot of other book places. You don't have to buy it from Amazon.

Wherever you buy it from, please leave a five-star review. That's how you can thank her—put a little tip in the virtual tip jar. That would mean a lot to her.

Of course, get her book and read it, but really how you can help her—and we can all—I'm definitely, obviously leaving you a five-star review for your book.

Any author that self-publishes that you enjoy, that you learn from—please go take the extra few minutes and leave them a review. It means the world to us authors. And it's going to help her to reach more people and help end the needless suffering of more people.

The more reviews she gets, the more her book appears on the top of lists. And then the more she's helping people. In fact, by you doing something simple as leaving a review for her book, you are helping to turn that ripple into a tidal wave. You are helping her to help tens of thousands of people to no longer suffer.

Please share social media posts about her, about her book. Maybe get her book, take a picture of you with her book—a little selfie—talk about it. Do #BecomeWholeAgain, tag her in it, and thank her for it.

It doesn't take much for us to do that, but it means the world to Michelle. And also, it means the world to all the people that you're helping this message reach.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:43:10.596)

I have a gift.

Ashley James (1:43:12.672)

That’s right! You do have a gift. I'm so excited that you brought up your free gift—that you're going to be giving away a signed copy of your book to one of our listeners.

Listeners, you can go to my Facebook group: LearnTrueHealth.com/group will get you there, or just search Learn True Health on Facebook to join our group.

Michelle, I'd love for you to come join our group too—the Learn True Health community. 

Michelle Ford Busath (1:43:41.878)

I already have. I already have.

Ashley James (1:43:43.547)

Look at there, you're ahead of the game. Then I'm going to make a post in the group, and then Michelle can pick one of our listeners to get a copy of your book—a signed copy.

I'll ask everyone that gets the book in the group, please also post not just in our Facebook group, but post publicly if you do that sort of thing—Instagram or TikTok, Facebook. Please post about Michelle's book to share the impact that this had on you, and so that we can help those who are suffering.

I love that you came to share this today. It just reminds me that it's kind of become my everyday. Back in 2011 is when I got on the 90 Essential Nutrients, and it changed my life forever. It actually saved my husband's life.

I mean, it saved my life too, but it saved his life in a different way. It completely transformed the lives of my friends and my family. Anyone who got on it, it transformed their lives.

I had one friend who was so emaciated. I know we talked about nutrient deficiency and obesity, but that's not always the case. He was anemic. He was skin and bones. He grew up in the foster system—drug parents and overdoses. He grew up on Pop-Tarts because that was the only thing he could make for himself in the foster homes.

He was in his 20s, in so much pain with unknown origin—idiopathic pain—that he couldn't lift up his infant son. He would fall asleep in a recliner because he couldn't lie down in bed. He was in so much pain.

I gifted him a bottle. He was very skeptical. I gifted him a bottle of the trace minerals just because it's only $24, and it's something so easy to gift someone and change their life.

Every single time I give someone a bottle, it changes their life. I forgot the newness of the miracle—how it feels. Back in the beginning in 2011.

But I gifted him this bottle. He calls me three days later, crying. Now, this guy does not cry. He’s a tough nut. And he was crying. He goes, “I lifted my son for the first time. I slept in a bed. I am out of pain. I don't know when I've ever not been in pain my entire adult life.”

And he goes, “I'm out of that bottle and I need another one.” He drank it in three days. That bottle was supposed to last him a few weeks. He said, “I couldn't stop drinking it. My body just started craving it.” It was exactly what he needed.

He was out of pain in three days. He could finally move his arms again and lift. I kind of forgot the newness of the feeling of the miracle.

Yes, we can take people and make serious changes in their lives. It's something I see every day, but through the eyes of someone, hearing your story for the first time—the new eyes of the listener listening to your story—healing is possible. 

Healing is possible.

We have to remember that and never let a doctor tell you that healing isn't possible.

You also talked about genetic issues that you're born with, as long as it's not something you're born with—we can reverse. Well, I've got a friend who was born with a genetic skin condition, and using nutrition, we got her body so healthy it epigenetically went into suppression. Her body was actually able to.

So I think that there are, in some cases, even epigenetically able to overcome and express as optimal health. Because even nutrient deficiency in utero turns on these gene expressions. So that's something else to explore— that even if your doctor's ever told you, “You were born with this, you'll always have it”—I know a guy who's thriving with Duchenne's muscular dystrophy.

He went from not walking in a wheelchair to being able to walk without assistance and doing CrossFit. Now he still has Duchenne's. It is within the optimal ranges. It's Duchenne's, but in the most suppressed way we can genetically manage, and he's able to slow down any of the progression of Duchenne's muscular dystrophy because he is optimizing his cellular nutrition.

So don't even let the doctors say—plus, God produces miracles. Don't let the doctors skew your belief system. Because if they shut down your belief system, then they control you. They control your outlook on life. You won't take actions to heal yourself if your belief system doesn't believe you could.

So it starts with your belief system. I just want you to take Michelle's story and go get her book. And I want you to ingrain into your being that you can heal—that if Michelle could heal everything she healed, so can you.

So thank you so much for coming on the show today, and listeners, please come join the Facebook group. You can continue the conversation there in the Learn True Health Facebook group.

Michelle, I've got to have you back on the show because I want to talk more about— you said it was a separate interview to talk about vaccine injury causing your type 1, and that your heart no longer has a dead spot. So that's going to definitely be a topic for the next interview.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:50:05.695)

I'd love to come back. I am such a detailed person. I recorded. I kept journals of all this, and that is in chapter two. That was the decline in the spot downward. I did it that way so that you can see that if you are affected by any of that, you can get better.

Yes, and I agree with what you're saying about even if it's a congenital birth defect, because the gene mutation can be reversed—that we know through epigenetics. So I agree with that.

Ashley James (1:50:51.437)

Yes, and even if you have something that can't be reversed because it's baked into the cake, you can optimize. You can always optimize.

I even know a couple with Down syndrome. Both found each other. They're so in love. They got on the nutrition, on this protocol, and they optimized their cellular health. It actually—both of them ended up being able to live independently. And they found that it increases IQ. Nutrition increases IQ.

There's studies—I've looked at studies—about how EFA, increasing essential fatty acids, especially omega-3, in children actually increases IQ by 15 points. That, the deficiency of such, which—how many children are walking around—parents might not get this stuff for themselves, but they'll get it for their kids. Because what ifa nutrient deficiency has caused them a 15-point reduction in their IQ?

That's huge.

Or I've seen people who don't have kids. They'll spend a hundred dollars on nutrition for their dog, but they themselves will eat Spam. We'll give nutrition to someone we care about before we do it to ourselves. It's a little wacky.

But this can increase cellular nutrition to increase our brain's ability to function and optimize in the face of anything. That's the most important thing—in the face of anything. So don't let doctors tell you that you can't have optimal health.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:52:31.573)

Yes. So I have a challenge because I'm always into teaching. I want all of you to use the new AI technology that we have today and to do a search of, say, please explain to me photosynthesis. It will tell you all about it. It's God's medicine.

So the plants get our carbon dioxide, sunshine, minerals from the soil, and they make sweet fruits and vegetables. The botanicals are all flavonoids and adaptogens. When we get those inside our body, which is what this nutrition is, we heal. That’s God's medicine.

I challenge you to look up photosynthesis with the new AI.

Ashley James (1:53:31.179)

Yes, it's fun. It's so fun. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We definitely want to have you back. Thank you so much for sharing your amazing story and giving one of my listeners one of your books.

Your book is Look at Me Now: Whole Again. It was such a pleasure to have you on the show, and I can't wait to have you back.

Michelle Ford Busath (1:53:52.785)

Thank you, Ashley, and thank you for the invite. I appreciate it.

Outro:

Hi, my name is Jennifer Saltzman, and I am the head coach at TakeYourSupplements.com. I wanted to share with you a testimonial that I received from a client of mine—one of the many success stories that I have—but this one was very close to my heart because she's young, has struggled so much to regain her health, and has had such a phenomenal, overcoming testimonial that I really wanted to share it today.

She writes:

My name is Angela. I am 25 years old. I have been on a health journey that consists of an autoimmune disease, fibromyalgia, and other issues that left me feeling defeated and debilitated every day. For 15 years, I have seen eight different specialists and many doctors, and have been in and out of physical therapy, dealing with symptoms I thought would leave me wheelchair-bound and in diapers by the time I was 30.

Well, I am now 25, and after everything I've learned through Jennifer at TakeYourSupplements.com, that definitely won't happen.

Some things doctors have said to me have crushed my hopes. I was told to lose weight and that my pain would go away. So I lost 90 pounds—and the pain was still there. My days were short, and after a five-hour work shift or even a day of running an errand or two, I was left debilitated. So the doctors told me the pain was all in my head because I was previously diagnosed with fibromyalgia—the only diagnosis so many doctors agreed upon because they couldn't think of anything else. Despite me having some form of an immune disease, I felt hopeless and as if life was going to pass me by.

There were times when I tried hiking one or two miles and I was unable to walk or function for days after. I was missing out on trips and adventures, and as embarrassing as it sounds, I was having BM bathroom emergencies so frequently it was ruining my daily function. I could go on about the ways I was ill and what it kept me from, but honestly, after the progress I've made, a long list of symptoms I used to have has become a blur of the past.

When I finally decided to check out TakeYourSupplements.com, recommended through the Learn True Health podcast, I was immediately connected with Jennifer, who kept track of my overwhelmingly long list of complex symptoms and thoroughly created a personalized, step-by-step plan.

Her recommendations have changed my life, and the changes were practically instant. She put me on a complete digestive activation complex that has taken away all of my stomach pain, unnecessary bloating, and gas. She explained to me that the formula supports every stage of digestion—from breakdown to absorption—designed to optimize stomach acid, bile flow, and nutrient assimilation.

She recommended a cellular repair-focused diet, which not only has helped my stomach, but the food gives me energy and makes me feel really good. It reduces inflammation in my body—something no doctor ever told me about.

When I first started with Jennifer, I took the TakeYourSupplements.com health evaluation and scored a negative 32. I just retook it and scored a 69. That's 100 points better in five months.

Still room for progress, but my life nevertheless has been changed, and I am so happy. My days have been much longer and full of adventure. I have hiked the 4,000-footer mountains of New Hampshire—something I never thought I would be able to do. I have had successful days of workouts, errands, and work.

The Learn True Health podcast and Jennifer at TakeYourSupplements.com have done more for me than any doctor ever has, and it all started with validation.

I am now 25 and feel my life is just now starting. It's really hard to put into words just how much has changed for me, so I'll keep on living as actively as possible and learning as much as I can so I can finally take part in the beautiful things of life.

I can't wait for the adventures to come with the hope I've been given through this program. If anyone out there hears this and feels their doctors are taking more than they're giving, give this a try.

Thank you, Ashley and Jennifer. Your knowledge and expertise is a gift I cherish every day.

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