538: Understanding the 7 Types of Headaches

Unlock powerful healing tools with Functional Muscle Testing—get $50 off with code LTH at sownutritionalsystems.com/functional-muscle-testing.

In this enlightening episode, Ashley James welcomes back Dr. Scott Vrzal to discuss his newly released book “The Headache Advantage,” which identifies seven distinct headache patterns that signal specific underlying health issues. Dr. Vrzal explains how headaches serve as the body's communication system, revealing connections between neurotransmitters, organ function, and nutrition while sharing practical approaches to address root causes rather than symptoms. The interview covers surprising nutritional insights, functional muscle testing techniques for “listening” to the body, and natural immune support strategies, empowering listeners to decode their body's signals and take control of their health naturally.

Highlights:

• Dr. Vrzal wrote “The Headache Advantage” to decode headache patterns by location.
• Headaches are symptoms, not root problems – they're the body communicating with us.
• Functional muscle testing helps identify what the body needs or rejects.
• Bi-temporal headaches are linked to dopamine and estrogen imbalances.
• GMO corn may damage ovarian health, especially for O blood types.
• High cholesterol can signal the body's attempt to make more hormones.
• Sugar suppresses immune function for up to 4 hours.
• The thymus gland affects immunity and can be damaged by aluminum exposure.
• Seven headache patterns correlate to different body systems and triggers.
• Tomatoes may affect insulin and acetylcholine production in some blood types.

Intro:

Hello True Health Seeker and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast. I am so excited to have back on the show Dr. Scott Vrzal, who is here to teach us so many things today. You're going to be blown away by today's interview. Now, he and I sat down before his book came out. So when you hear us talking about a few things,  we say the beginning of flu season, and you're like, hey, that was a few months ago. You're right, that was a few months ago. I'm publishing this now because his book is out and I want to let you guys know his book's pretty awesome.

He had reached out to me after this interview that you're about to listen to and said, hey, would you like to write a review for my book? If I gave you the PDF of my book before I publish it? And I said, yes, heck, yes, I will. Getting  the backstage pass to your book before you publish it. That's going to be awesome. So I wrote him a review. That was, I guess I won the award for the best review. I'm not even a doctor, but all the cool doctors he reached out to, all the cool health people, health experts he reached out to, and I kind of won because he turned around with tears in his eyes and tears in my eyes, and he goes, “You just wrote the forward to my book.” And I'm like, “He goes, you just wrote the forward to my book.” And I'm like, “Yes, life goal achieved.” I mean it. Come on, how many books have I read? I've always been , oh, I want to be the cool person that an author asks to be the person to write the forward to their book. And here I am, Ashley James. I wrote a forward to someone's book, not only someone, someone who wrote a really awesome book, The Headache Advantage.

I bet everyone knows someone who suffers from migraines, who suffers from headaches, and they can be chronic, they can be once in a while. But even if you have a migraine  twice a year, that's still a major disruption in your life. For some people, migraines last a week or longer, or  even just recovering from them. It takes over a week. So no one, no one wants that. Who wants that? But the whole thing that we unpack today, which is really exciting, is this concept that the body is speaking to us, that every symptom of the body is the language of the body, and he teaches you today how to listen. Now, he teaches online. This is a newer development, so exciting. He teaches online the techniques that he uses as a chiropractor.

And my chiropractor, who is  a saint, I'm going to submit to the Vatican that my chiropractor be registered as a saint when she passes away, because she has been a miracle worker for me. She's an amazing chiropractor. So if you're in and around the Seattle area, Dr. Claire Russell, Blue Heron Chiropractic, I am doing a little shout-out. She has put me back together. She's just the most amazing chiropractor.

If you don't have an amazing chiropractor, if you don't believe your chiropractor is worth their weight in gold-pressed latinum, then you need to go find another chiropractor and hunt around, because I've been to over 13, 14 chiropractors in my life. I've been seeing chiropractors since I was three, and there's a bunch of chiropractors out there that are okay, that are good. They're good, they do no harm, they help a little, they're good, amazing. 

Then once in a while, maybe 10%, let's say, are outstanding, just  blow-your-mind amazing. You know, those chiropractors aren't there yet. They're still figuring their way out in the world. You know, it takes a few years to get to amazing status, and some are born that way, some have to work on it and work hard to get there. But you don't want to give up on chiropractic. You want to hunt around and find the chiropractor for you that knocks your socks off, that makes you feel  three inches taller when you walk out of there, that makes you feel like, oh wow, I didn't realize I could feel that good again, or even that good for the first time. 

That's the kind of chiropractor you want to see, and every chiropractor that's been blows me away amazing has used functional muscle testing, has used specific kinesiology techniques to talk to my body, to see what it needs to be corrected, be corrected, and this is like understanding the layers of the nervous system on a whole new level, that our body actually is constantly talking to us, but we didn’t. We didn’t know how to listen. 

Kind of like how cats and dogs can literally string together words that make dramatically correct sentences. If you haven’t seen this on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, or wherever you watch videos—not your TV, if you still have cable, maybe there, I don’t know if you have a smart TV—but go type in  “talking dog buttons” or “talking cat buttons” and you’re going to watch 500 hours of dogs interacting  in a real way, and cats too.

It’s amazing that these animals, this whole time we’ve had pets, hundreds of years we’ve had pets, and we didn’t realize that they were that smart. We knew they were kind of smart. Like, oh, I told him to go bring in my slippers and he actually brought me my slippers,  I thought that was the height of the intelligence of dogs, because I had a friend once who she would say go get the mail or go get the newspaper. I mean this is back in the nineties, and we lived out in the middle of nowhere. So you had to go, half a mile down the road to the mailbox and this dog, you just say go get the mail and he would run, he’d go out the dog door, down the stairs, down the long road, all the way to the mailbox and he’d come back with it and drop it right by your feet, and I thought that was the height of their intelligence. But the whole time, they’ve actually understood us, and when we give them an outlet like the buttons to press, they have humor too. They’re hilarious. There’s this one dog that will hit the button that goes “bruh” to his owner and it is. The timing is perfect. It’s really hilarious.

So, my point being, our body has actually been communicating with us this entire time and we didn’t know the language of the body. So we’re just kind of like, stupid body, let’s just go take an Advil. We just weren’t listening, and now we can listen. Now it’s  all of a sudden we have those buttons,  the dog finally has the buttons. Now you’re going to actually, by learning from Dr. Scott, you will have the ability to communicate with your body in a way that you’re able to decipher the language the body’s speaking and then you can help it to get better, and that’s what amazing chiropractors do.

But Dr. Scott, first of all, this whole interview is great, but what he does is he teaches. He has this course that you can sign up for. Super affordable in terms of what you’re getting for it. Very affordable. He’s giving us $50 off. The course is just under $300. So it comes to just under $250 after the discount, which is really gracious of him to give a $50 discount.

He has an introduction to functional medicine, functional muscle testing. Introduction to functional muscle testing. That's kinesiology learning about how to do applied kinesiology techniques. So if you’re completely new to applied kinesiology, you want to take that course. If you’re like me and you have done applied kinesiology, maybe on yourself and family members, or you’ve done it with some clients, or you’ve done a little bit, but you want to take it to the next level and you’re intermediate, he has an intermediate hybridized kinesiology techniques that he has mastered and created through years of working with so many clients. So really exciting to share this. 

When I first started talking to him about it, he’s like, “Wow, I really only gear this towards, maybe only doctors.” I’m like, “Okay, so can anyone learn it and do it?” He goes, “Yes.” “So wouldn’t this really be for anyone?” He’s like, “Yes, you’re right. I guess we could say that it could be for anyone, because I mean, if anyone’s interested in listening to their body.” I’m like, “Yes, my listeners are interested in listening to their body, but since so many of my listeners are in the health space, I think this is great to add to your repertoire, to your tool belt, and at such an affordable price.” Then you just have this amazing tool,  again, giving the dogs and the cats the buttons to talk. Love it.

If you haven’t seen those videos, you have to go check them out. They’re hilarious. So use the coupon code LTH, as in Learn True Health. Use the coupon code LTH. Anytime I recommend something, just try the coupon code LTH, because I always try to get you guys a discount. So coupon code LTH, as in Learn True Health.

The website is S-O-W, as in Society of Wellness, S-O-W. nutritionalsystems.com/functional-muscle-testing. I’m sorry that’s very long. I promise it’s going to be right there at the top in the links to the show notes of today’s podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com and wherever you’re listening—Spotify, iTunes, wherever, Podbean, wherever you’re listening from. The links are going to be there in the description of the show note area. If you ever can’t find a link, just email me at support@learntruehealth.com. Feel free to email me, be , “Hey, hey, that episode with muscle testing,” and I will send you the link. 

You can also come join us in the Facebook group if you’re into that, if you’re into Facebook and if you’re into connecting with the community and asking questions and learning from each other. I love what we learn together as a community in the Learn True Health Facebook group. Come join us. You can go to learntruehealth.com/group. We’d love to see you there.

If you would love to connect with me because you’ve heard my story, maybe I’ve reversed several major issues and I did a 180 with my career after healing myself and said I have to help others. I’ve been doing that for now 13 years, probably going on 14 since 2011. So that’s  a whole lifetime. It feels like. What were you doing in 2011? I was changing careers and beginning to help people heal themselves.

Before that, I specialized in anxiety cessation. I’ve been doing that since 2005, so that is two lifetimes ago. I’ve been helping people to end anxiety. So if you have a family member, a friend, yourself, or a teenager who suffers with anxiety, I have amazing techniques that teach you how to turn off anxiety in the body and how to rewire your brain. That’s something I’m really excited to help people with because I can get people in 90 seconds to completely turn off anxiety and they finally have relief. Sometimes we cry just tears of relief and joy to finally be out of that state of anxiety. So I love teaching that.

So I’ve been working with people for a very long time in terms of emotional, mental, and physical health, and if you'd like to talk to me, if you want resources, please feel free to reach out to me. It’s free to have a 15, 20, or 30-minute phone call with me. Go to learntruehealth.com and in the menu, select “Work with Ashley James” and you’ll find two options there. One’s  blood sugar and the other one’s phototherapy. Just check which one makes more sense to you. But you fill out a little form that tells me a bit about you and what your goals are and what you’re interested in learning about, and we just have a great conversation. I can point you in the direction of some great resources, especially the phototherapy, which I am thoroughly impressed with. I’ve been using it for over two years with my clients, over 200 clients having really great success, and I’d love to share that with you as well. I have nutritional protocols and so many resources for healing.

Thank you so much for being a listener and thank you so much for sharing this episode with those you care about. If you like or love my podcast, if it makes a difference for you, please, please, leave a five-star rating and written review, or just a five-star. That really helps. It helps promote the podcast to other people. So if you want this information to get out there, please do that. I really appreciate it.

Please copy and paste the link to this and send it to a friend, especially the friends that have headaches or migraines. You will be forever in their life if what you share with them ends their headaches for good. It will solidify you as someone they will always want to, bring a coffee or tea to, or invite out for dinner or something. Can you imagine suffering for so many years and then a friend says, “Hey, check this out”? That is the thing that they’ve been praying for. That’s how God works. God answers prayers through us. If you get an urge to share this episode, do it. You might be answering a prayer you just never know. Awesome, enjoy today’s interview. I know you will. 

Welcome to the Learn True Health Podcast. I’m your host, Ashley James. This is episode 538.

Ashley James (0:14:00.624)

I'm so excited for today's guest. We have back on the show with us, Dr. Scott Vrzal. You were here in episode 523, and I love that you figured out how to decode headaches and migraines and get to the root cause, understanding the root cause and helping people to heal.

Headaches and migraines, they're often treated like they're the root cause,  they're the problem, and they're the symptom of the problem. There's so many different root cause problems and you've decoded it. It's amazing. Now you have this book. It's an amazing book. Just launched, super excited for my listeners to get it for those who have headaches or migraines.

I also think it's really interesting just to learn this because you might not have headaches now, but maybe one day you will. Because this is one of the ways the body speaks to us. The body speaks in symptoms. We really need to listen and listen so that we can help our body come back into balance because the body is always working at healing itself. It's always being torn down and it's always building itself back up.

When we have illness, that's when we're tearing down more than we're building back up,  just to simplify it. So our job is to get out of our own way. We got to really learn what is it that we're doing or not doing that the body really needs.

So you've simplified something that's so complex and it has really strained so many people for years to try to figure out the mechanism of action and what's going on with their migraines or their chronic headaches. So I'm really excited for the listeners to have access to this.

So we're going to dive deeper too. Episode 523 was a great place for us to start. We had a wonderful introduction to what you teach. Today we're going to really dive deep into this topic.

So excited to have you back on the show. Welcome.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:15:49.912)

Thank you very much. I'm so looking forward to sharing more and yes, diving into tying some brain chemistry into physical function and what we can do about it to really be our best. Some fun subjects for today.

Ashley James (0:16:04.588)

Love it. I know that we're going to get into so many different varieties of headaches. That's what I'm excited about because all the way from headaches, from restlessness and anxiety to headaches, from PMS to high blood pressure headaches and low blood pressure. It's just all the different things we're going to be talking about. Dopamine, serotonin, all those wonderful neurotransmitters.

Before we get into that though, I know you have this new, is it new? It's new to me, this new course where you're teaching practitioners and people who, you could be massage therapist, acupuncturist, anyone along that practitioner space, health coaches, teaching them in an easy to learn video series on functional muscle testing. I want to learn a bit more about that.

I also think that super health nuts who are really into learning how to listen to their body would also be interested in looking into it just to understand more about how we can listen to the body. So tell us a bit about this. Of course, the link is going to be in the show notes of today's podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com and wherever you're listening from in the show notes, the link will be there.

You informed me this morning that you're giving my listeners a discount. Thank you so much. You're taking $50 off. I think it's really generous. It's not that expensive to learn what you're sharing. It's pretty remarkable because I know a doctor local to here that charges thousands and thousands of dollars to teach kinesiology and muscle testing and you're doing it for a very, very affordable price.

So thank you for making it accessible to everyone. I think all practitioners should have this in their tool belt as some way of continuing to help their clients and patients to listen to the body. Tell us a bit about this for those who don't even know what functional muscle testing is.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:18:00.034)

So the functional muscle testing videos came about as I was running around the country years ago, teaching doctors on how to deal with autoimmune conditions and thyroid and high tech things like that. They needed a resource that they could go back to and workshop and practice with their colleagues. So we created these videos that basically walk a person or practitioner from this is what a muscle test looks like. This is how we would prioritize and determine what the weakest link is for the body, whether that's a thyroid or a stomach problem or brain issue. 

Then, once we identify the priority, then we would look at clinical corrections, meaning whether they need a structural change, a nutritional change. Meaning diet or supplemental or acupuncture which kind of leads to some of the stuff we're going to talk about today with neurotransmitters. Sounds kind of high-tech, but this kind of brings it to a usable level. Then it also gets in especially in the second round of videos gets into how to determine what might be the best supplement and others if there's three stomach acid supplements that are good for a person which one is going to be the very best so that we can get to the most simplified approach and the least amount of change for a person to get the biggest bang for their buck, if you will.

Then there's ways of treating what we talked about in episode 523 with some of the emotional corrections and so on as well are shine the light on through those. So that's what the videos are about. They're great if you have a workmate that you want to practice with and you can get together and do a 30 minute video together and kind of refine your skills.

Ashley James (0:19:50.916)

I'm definitely doing it with my husband. I want to learn it. I've been using muscle testing for years, especially as you had mentioned, if you have, for example, you have three different supplement bottles that are very similar. I typically do it at the supplement store. There are a few health food stores around here and I trust the quality or I know the brands and they're used to it. They're used to people doing that.

But I'll do either the sway test or I'll do a muscle test on myself. I find it easier for someone though. The sway test for me is, you sway forward when it's something your body wants and you sway back when it's something your body doesn't want. Like putting my arm up and having my husband just push on my arm the same, it's not precise. It's just that he's trying to push the same amount without him seeing what I'm holding, so there's no unconscious bias.

But it's pretty crazy that your arm will become so much weaker when you're holding something you shouldn't have. I actually remembered learning this many years ago. I feel  it was something  30 years ago on a PBS special. It was just a famous healer author who has passed away now, but he was teaching. I was too young to go like, wow, they're really doing something kind of far out. They were teaching, hold your arm up and think of love. He'd push on the arm and no matter what, couldn't get the arm to go down. He said now think of hate. The person could not keep their arm up no matter what. She's like, wow, I feel so much weaker. It's just interesting how the body responds just to even a suggestion of an emotion and a vibration.

Everything is energy, everything is vibration. So if you're trying to figure out, well, is this protein powder good for me? Or  there's a bunch of different protein powders, which one am I going to take? Or there's a bunch of different vitamin C's, which one is the one I want to take? Then you can do a muscle test. If you're buying one anyway and you kind of have decision paralysis, you don't know which one's best, why not muscle test? It goes so much deeper than that, that we can actually use muscle testing to ask the body what it's missing or ask the body where we're out of alignment, ask the body. It's a way of communicating with each other. I imagine Helen Keller. We try to figure out how do we communicate with her. She can't hear, she can't see, how do we communicate? They figured out how to communicate with her. That's sort of the same thing, figuring out how to listen to the body. The body is not stupid, it's super intelligent, but we just don't speak its language. So we have to listen and learn how to speak its language.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:22:51.552)

Just a pearl to even help you get started in the supplement store, for example, in general, energy goes in the right and exits the left. If we're holding a product in the right hand and it's detrimental for us, the whole nervous system will shut down, kind of like you alluded to. Whereas if we need that product, physically need that product and we would benefit from it, we hold it in the left hand, we're actually going to get weak because that's taking it away from us.

That gives us a whole boom, a mind blow of opportunities and options. For example, most people have stress and need an adrenal supplement. So if they're in an adrenal fatigue state and we put, say, ashwagandha in their right hand, they're going to get weak. Areas of stress-related weakness are going to get more tender in the right hand, whereas if we put a supplement, a glandular, or a B5 or a L-utero that's going to help for more of a low adrenal fatigue scenario, they're going to get strong and those areas are going to get less tender.

It creates this whole tool to really, one, demonstrate to the patient, the person, how the supplement is going to benefit them. Two, helps us identify if there's potentially side effects. I took a supplement for a year to help me not bring everybody's baggage home. It turned out it was overdriving my immune system and I had a shoulder weakness for a year. I wasn't able to throw people out. I was playing softball at the time. Wasn't able to throw them out at first base until I finally realized that the supplement was creating a weakness in my shoulder because of its adverse effect on my thymus in this case.

Ashley James (0:24:32.834)

Wow. Does that still apply for people who are left-handed or have left-handed, right-handed? Does that matter?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:24:41.040)

It does not matter. It's the energy. It's a kind of acupuncture energy, a basic principle where it goes in the right and exits the left. So another application of that is an Apple watch or if people are wearing electronics that sense pulse and that sort of stuff on the right hand, wearing that on the right hand, it's going to adversely affect and manipulate energy going into the body. It's more detrimental.

Whereas it's much better tolerated if it's on the left hand where that's energy on its way out of the body.

Ashley James (0:25:11.046)

What? That's crazy. But we can't see it. So a lot of people don't really acknowledge that we have an energy field. But they can test it. You can test it. There are certain machines that can test it, that can see it. We have a torus. They call it a torus that is this magnetic energy field that comes up and around us and back in.

It's amazing how polarity, for example, when your polarity is off, just like the earth has poles, everything has, everything alive has a positive and negative pole, a battery or a magnet. But when your polarity is off, you will feel off. I have a client who corrected her polarity. I have a technique. It's acupressure combined with phototherapy and we do this technique and it only takes a day and the next day your polarity is now correct. It's in the correct spot. She got rid of a hundred percent of her symptoms that she'd had for six years. It was weird. She was feeling totally out of it and weak and nauseous and almost dizzy and anxious and insomnia and, she felt so off and she'd been to practitioner after practitioner. What it was was her polarity was off. So your energetic field can be disrupted, and can be affected by these things. That's what I love about muscle testing is we can listen to the body and learn very quickly what it needs.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:26:48.058)

100%. Then we throw in things like toxic metals that are going to make us more polar or adverse to electromagnetic challenges, whereas good minerals will be less sensitive to the electromagnetic. I'm a chiropractor. I studied neurology and so on in school, but I actually find that acupuncture meridians give me a more profound benefit. I mean, a great example of this is sciatica. So many people are plagued with pain down the back of the leg. 

But it turns out that the kidney meridian goes down the back of the leg and parallels the sciatic nerve, and treating kidney issues or serotonin, which is the brain's control of that kidney. Treating those is where we get literally immediate relief of, say, that sciatic pain. Whereas in the outside world, they're going to be talking surgery to manipulate the way the spine works, or cutting pieces out of the spine to try to correct that pain when functionally we could correct the way the kidney functions, change their mineral balance, or take care of their fear or paralyzing emotions that are compromising the kidney, and that pain will go away virtually immediately.

Ashley James (0:28:05.464)

I love it. I love it. So the link to your functional muscle testing course is going to be in the show notes and wherever you listen from, whether it's Spotify, iTunes, wherever you listen from, the link is going to be there. The coupon code LTH, as in Learn True Health. LTH gives you $50 off. I'm going to take the course. I'm excited. I want to take it. I want to learn. I want to.

I know it's really, when you filmed it, I know you told me you geared it towards practitioners, but I still think there's going to be some people out there like me that are total health nuts. Well, I'm a practitioner. I was a massage therapist many, many years ago in Canada, and it's a bit different. In Canada, it's a three-year program versus a 500-hour program down in the States, depending on what state you're in.

Now I've been a health coach for many years, but I think I'd love to do it just to be able to muscle test myself and my husband and my son. I just know that there's probably some moms out there that would be, or some dads that'd be, super interested just to be able to muscle test their spouse and their kids and get a little bit of an idea as to, okay, you're out. Hey, let's go to the chiropractor. Your body's saying we should probably go to the naturopath and get some more of those herbs or something. Just to help you navigate your own health issues.

I'm just passionate about helping everyone to listen to their body more and to be proactive instead of waiting to be hit by the cosmic two-by-four. Listen to the whispers of the body. The body will whisper. The body will give you a little warning sign, like, headaches. We're going to get into that topic.

We often, unfortunately, in this day and age, we often wait until it's so big and so painful, then we'll take action. But if we can listen to the whispers, we can prevent the big things most of the time. I'd rather train us to listen to the body when the body is telling us, hey, something's a little off. My mom, who died of cancer, had warning signs for months, but she just chalked it up. She just kind of ignored it. She's like, we moved and I was busy and I was stressed out, and her digestion was off. She was kind of achy. She was kind of tired. She was having just these little things starting to tell her something was wrong. But by the time she got scans, it was too late. It's not to create hypochondriacs out of all of us, but if we listen to the body when it's the whispers, we can catch something and help correct it before it becomes something very painful like chronic migraines and headaches. Let's get into it. You wanted to talk about neurotransmitters and I'm super excited to learn because I know several people who suffer from headaches of unknown origin.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:31:03.139)

I mean, just to piggyback on your last statement about your mom and that sort of scenario. I tell people, listen, every meal your body's going to tell you, give you hints of what's going on and how it worked for you. I love the way you stated it—learn to listen to the whisper instead of waiting for the two-by-four, the yell, the shout, because often it's a whole lot more to overcome by that point.

Maybe I'm just fanatical, but at 14, I realized how lousy I felt when I ate things like sugar, for example. So I quit because I didn't like feeling that way. So, I mean, every meal, if we eat something that doesn't work for us—whether it's something that might work great for you, may not work for me—for example, tomatoes. O blood types will do fine on them. I'd fall asleep and have memory issues if I ate too much tomato.

I mean, all those little nuances tell a story and help us learn the early warnings before it's a catastrophic issue.

Ashley James (0:32:09.215)

Exactly. So, yes, you were saying to me that you wanted to get into the neurotransmitters and teach us more about that from the standpoint of what's going on with these headaches.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:32:23.151)

Dopamine would be the neurotransmitter, but the symptoms, the question for the consumer, for the health pursuer, is do you have vivid dreams, resting tremors, concerned about hormone-related cancers, monthly headaches, drown or those age spots, or lack of inspiration? Those are bi-temporal headaches. A headache that comes on every month, typically that physical manifestation of that headache is going to be in both temples. On the cover of my book, there's a diagram, does a pink headache, because it's often related to estrogen and dopamine is the brain's control of estrogen. It's kind of the precursor to estrogen. 

So if estrogen is low, dopamine will be low and that would be the apathetic person that is estrogen deficient, if you will. They're going to have low dopamine symptoms, which ultimately could lead to resting tremors or Parkinsonian type concerns and trouble learning because dopamine is also the neurotransmitter of storing memories. So those are all signs that as we go further down the road of problems, the symptoms get more and more profound trying to call our attention to make a change.

So those are low dopamine symptoms of lower estrogen, whereas the high dopamine is going to be the vivid dreams. There's cheese, orange cheese is a great example. It's a monoamine oxidase, an MAO inhibitor, and many drugs. That would set up vivid dreams for people if they're sensitive in this regard, because that orange cheese could cause these nightmares. It causes these high dopamine symptoms that ultimately end up schizophrenia is a pathologic example of chronically high dopamine that at its heart is an estrogen metabolism concern. So when we learn these early whispers, then we can say, hey, this isn't working for me and figure out, every time a person eats sugar, they have these symptoms or, cheddar cheese, they have these symptoms.

Then we want to make changes in those and learn to listen to what our body's saying. Maybe you need to do a journal and create some kind of journal to know what food or what you're doing, that every time you eat cheese or so on, you end up with a headache at ovulation or at menstruation. So we can make these simple changes and correct it before it is a clinical emergency.

Ashley James (0:35:06.005)

So I want to stop there and unpack that because we have two things. You just talked about too little estrogen and too little dopamine and too much dopamine. Do you always see that there's also too little estrogen? Is that for both men and women? Is that also for women postmenopausal?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:35:30.025)

Yes, low dopamine is synonymous with low estrogen and high dopamine is synonymous with high estrogen. So, the female, you're probably well more versed in that. You can lay out the symptoms of low estrogen, but yes, that's menopause, perimenopausal scenario. Go ahead.

Ashley James (0:35:54.502)

I was just thinking, for me, low estrogen, usually women feel their testosterone more because that estrogen, when it's backed off, now we feel invincible, we can throw a man that pisses us off. That testosterone comes up, we feel it. But we hear the classic heart palpitations, sweating in the night, sudden hot flashes, weepy, weak, irritable. Does that do a good job?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:36:38.114)

So yes, yes. So for me, if they have high test low estrogen symptoms and high testosterone, typically insulin is the hormone that's going to cause a female to convert estrogen to testosterone. So that's going to create the testosterone kind of symptoms. At its heart there, we'd want to correct blood sugar concerns. Maybe it's a nerve. Gymnema is really good in that situation. That'll help with uterine fibroids or ovarian cysts. By stabilizing blood sugar, potentially reduce hot flashes. So that's a great way to go when that is the trigger.

If it's purely a hormone deficiency, we need to look upstream at cholesterol. How's a person's cholesterol? One of the very common causes of high cholesterol is hormone deficiency, because the body, the liver, is trying to kick out and produce cholesterol to have the building blocks because it's sensing that those hormones are low.

So that's a very common way I find to reduce and correct high cholesterol is to correct hormone function in the body, whether that means nutritionally feeding the ovaries or the testes or making these dietary changes to help the body have the building blocks, have the omega-3s and so on to produce the hormones as a whole.

Ashley James (0:37:58.402)

So just to emphasize, cholesterol is a necessary nutrient. The body makes every cell where the nucleus makes cholesterol, not just the liver like we once thought, but that it's the raw building blocks for making hormones, sex hormones, and stress hormones. You're saying that when cholesterol is high and hormones are low, the body is trying to make the raw building blocks to make the hormones. Where's the break? Where did it break? Where did it break down? Because for me, I imagine a factory where we have something coming along the assembly line. Here's the cholesterol, the DHEA. Here's the cholesterol for the widgets to make all the different sex hormones. Then you look on the other side of the machine, it's, well, we're not getting enough hormones. So what happened? Where did it break down?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:38:54.550)

So one aspect is, the person deficient in the omega-3 is the building blocks. So again, the body's trying to compensate for that. In the hormone example that we're using, is there a compromise in the female case? Obviously the ovaries, food corn can cause damage to the ovaries, it causes ovarian cysts. If that's damaged and it does under functions, and that can ultimately set up the high cholesterol scenario.

There's other potential triggers of low thyroid. Hypothyroid is massively common. Thyroid medications are the highest, most best selling medication, even over and above statins and cholesterol medications. So hypothyroidism—love this I in there—hypothyroidism is a very common cause of high cholesterol, which then starts that whole ball rolling of 12 medications by the time they hit 60.

Ashley James (0:39:49.632)

This is so annoying. I am so annoyed. Just hold on. Let me get on my soapbox. I promise I'll get off it quickly. We've been lied to for the last 40 years. I've had numerous cardiologists come on the show that say that cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease. We've been all lied to and that it's not even a good marker of heart disease. What we really should be looking at is blood sugar, triglycerides, blood pressure, inflammatory markers. 

That's what we should be looking at. Forty-some years ago, the pharmaceutical industry decided they wanted to literally get everyone on this cholesterol medication. They wanted to do this mass experiment. So they said they made up an arbitrary number and there are doctors and scientists involved in this. I've seen them in the interviews. They said we had to come up with an arbitrary number. We did not have any scientific proof that lowering cholesterol in the population would prevent heart disease, but we wanted to do an experiment and see if it worked and the pharmaceutical industry obviously was behind it. 

So they said, okay, total cholesterol 200. Then they get everyone on these meds. Majority of people on these meds. If you hit 55, you're being pushed pretty heavily. I've seen it in my own family members to be on these meds. What it does is the meds, I mean, you can speak up, but the meds damage the liver so much the liver ceases to produce it.

But every other cell in the body that has a nucleus is still producing it. Yet they don't say anything about lowering the exogenous cholesterol you're eating in your diet, which is really funny. But it didn't lower heart disease in the last 40 years. Then they lowered the number more. They said, okay, now we want a total cholesterol of 150. So we can get even more population on this drug. You qualify for this drug.

The drug was so damaging to the liver that up until 2012, remember this started in the 90s, I think. So it's been a while and up until 2012, if you were on cholesterol meds, I think it was every three months. This is, this is, this wasn't Wikipedia. I mean, I read it, the history of cholesterol meds. I don't know if Wikipedia still kept it up there, but every three months you had to go back and get liver enzyme panel testing to make sure that the medication wasn't damaging your liver too much because you could have liver failure. But yes, the last 40 years we have not reduced heart disease. It still is on the rise. Now we have this whole host of other things. So it's that whack-a-mole, it's going to pop up another page because cholesterol was not the problem. This was what you're saying. This is what I'm really excited about. 

If you see high cholesterol, that's the body trying to heal itself. That's the body saying something is out of balance. Please help me. So now you're, okay, let's look at the hormones. Now let's look at the thyroid. Now let's look at the sex hormones now. So you're going down the list. Let's look at the nervous system. Let's look at the omegas. Let's, and you're going to list. You're going, why isn't the body using this properly? Why is it pumping out more? Because there's a signal. The body's intelligent, but in MD drug-based medicine, the body's stupid and we have to drug it into submission.

So, okay, I'm getting off my soapbox. I just think it's really important to understand that we've been lied to. I'm super excited about what you're saying. So for so many people who have these hormone issues and then they see they have high cholesterol, well, I eat really healthy and exercise and why do I have this high cholesterol? But they have really poor hormone output. The body is trying to patch it up, but it's missing certain key nutrients in order to patch it up. You said, good omegas. Corn damages ovaries. I’m kind of in shock. That’s the organic non-GMO corn, just all corn in general. 

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:43:44.856)

Especially GMO corn is pretty much all corn in America. But yes, unfortunately it seems to have a cortisol response as well as some adverse effect on the ovaries, especially for the O blood type. A little bit less so on the A blood type, but all of them have seen uterine fibroids. Well, ovarian cysts for sure. I mean, Tiffany was a gal that I'd been working with for years. It was very clean, had a very clean diet. After three days of eating rice chips, she had an ovarian cyst grow and burst and corn was the third ingredient on those chips. So that's a kind of a good example of how profound that can be. 

Back to the soapbox thing. The tide is changing. The tide is changing. I have a brain trust buddy that has been at a couple of pharmaceutical meetings where they're starting to say, well, we're realizing that cholesterol isn't the whole thing, but there's two or three medications in the pipeline to lower lipoprotein little a. Lipoprotein A is an inflammatory marker, which is going a little better direction if there was a good direction in the pharmaceutical world. But watch for the narrative to start shifting where we realize cholesterol wasn't making enough change. Now everybody's going to need this lipoprotein A and their narrative is, if your lipoprotein A is up, you're born with it and you need this drug forever. Kind of like they were originally saying with cholesterol medications and no lifestyle manipulation will change it. But there's a study that shows that niacin, of all things, actually lowers it, but they kind of poopoo that and say you need the drug. So just a heads up of yes.

Ashley James (0:45:26.567)

Of course. A harmless B vitamin or a toxic petroleum-based patented drug. You choose. My goodness. Okay, so I have to ask though. You kind of freaked me out with corn. In a good way. 

I don't watch South Park often, but it's really funny. I've been gluten free for 13 years. If you're not easily offended, go watch the South Park episode on being gluten free. It's this one scene. I cried laughing. It's where they first discovered gluten is bad for them and the parents run around the house, run around the kitchen, kind of like, gluten is a ticking time bomb that's about to explode. That's how intensely they get rid of all the gluten in their house.

I just remember that because I'm going to run downstairs and take all the corn in my freezer and just go, throw it out, throw it out. What other foods must we know about that are absolutely 100% off? They should be out of our kitchen, out of our lives. If corn does that, I want to know about some others that we got to know about.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:46:45.909)

Well, where do we start? I mean, for me, it's condition specific. I really try to work from a perspective of telling me where it hurts and I'll help you identify what the primary food trigger would be. For example, left upper trap tension tends to be a blood sugar concern. So, I mean, obviously sugar is going to mess with the pancreas and create that.

Unfortunately, just to open up, get on another soapbox, COVID, the retrovirus that the COVID virus is, causes damage to whatever the weak link was. So if a person was eating a lot of sugar and had a struggling pancreas and then got exposed to COVID, then that could exaggerate and accelerate damage to the pancreas. They're going to end up with left upper trap tension, yeast problems because of the blood sugar yo-yos that would cause neck tension, especially on one side of the neck. Left side is very common for that. Sugar, that's the low hanging fruit that hopefully everybody realizes is a poison ultimately and nutrient void.

Ashley James (0:47:57.424)

I'm planning on doing a little special right before Halloween about sugar because they call it flu season, and I want to say, listen, the term flu season was made up by the pharmaceutical industry to sell more flu shots. You can get the flu any time of year. You could be sick any time of year. The thing with flu season is it's actually sugar season because it starts at Halloween, Halloween, Christmas nears, Thanksgiving, and these holidays, plus then we have Valentine's Day, but all the cookies and all the overindulgence and the stress and the sugar and the alcohol. We just kind of pig out from the end of October to halfway through February. We wonder why we get sick, and sugar, it taxes the immune system and really it shuts down. There's one white blood cell that just goes to sleep in the presence of processed sugar. We wonder why we get sick.

But if you avoid processed food and processed sugar, you will be quite amazed, quite amazed at how your immune system holds up. That's my soapbox when it comes to sugar. Do you have any other corn damages overage? Do you have any other like, you didn't know that peas destroy eyes or something? Do you have any other bombs to drop? Because I always thought corn, if it was organic, was healthy.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:49:26.113)

Especially from a vegan sort of perspective, you said gluten-free corn is a non-gluten grain. A lot of, on the plant-based diet, people are using corn to try to get that complete protein, mixing it with rice and so on. So we have to find other ways around it. Another truth bomb kind of food is tomatoes. Believe it or not, tomatoes will cause insulin dumping, especially for B blood types and A blood type people. It stresses the gallbladder.

When the gallbladder is challenged and we have acetylcholine deficiency, which acetylcholine is a precursor to nitric oxide. So that's going to set up high blood pressure, or in a catastrophic state, constriction of the arteries. That's not good news. But then memory recall issues because acetylcholine is the brain chemical of recall. So when acetylcholine is low, that's when we're having trouble coming up with the names or test anxiety kind of thing, or information we know is in there, but we just can't quite pull it up. That's a low acetylcholine problem. Unfortunately, tomatoes, because of the stress they put on the gallbladder and the pancreas, cause that low acetylcholine, which is going to manifest as those symptoms of recall issues and higher blood pressure, potentially higher cholesterol, because it's stress in the liver and the gallbladder.

Ashley James (0:50:45.389)

What raises acetylcholine?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:50:49.125)

Toxins so the brain's control of the liver.

Ashley James (0:50:54.261)

Sorry. Okay. So too much acetylcholine causes recall issues. 

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:50:58.025)

Too little acetylcholine causes. Acetylcholine is the brain chemical of recall. So when it's low, we are missing the faculties of recall, if you will.

Ashley James (0:51:07.964)

So, but how do we get it up? How do we make it healthy? What do we do to get it to healthy levels?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:51:15.900)

Choline is the precursor, the building block. Riboflavin helps us make it as well. So in active form, B2 technically is, riboflavin helps the gallbladder function better, eating our good fats so that that gallbladder is contracting when we eat those omega-3s. That keeps the bile being produced. If a person had already lost their gallbladder, sacrificed their gallbladder, we want to replace bile on a regular basis with a supplement of some sort. Pantothenic acid, B5, is another one that helps with bile production. So we look at those nutrients to bring it up. Beets, beet leaf juice especially, thins bile and will help with the acetylcholine production, the betaine that's also in beets helps the methylation pathway and sorry throwing a bunch of big terms out but, it facilitates that methylation pathway which is one of the main liver pathways to formulator to make bile. 

So all that will help us make the bile which then we digest our fats better, better elimination because if the gallbladder is congested, if we're deficient in the acetylcholine, we don't digest fats and it's called the ilio break where the valves in the intestine the ileocecal valve and the valve of Houston, these valves kind of stay closed or slam closed, you will, causing constipation because it's trying to give the body, the colon more time to assimilate and digest those fats that it so desperately needs to make cholesterol to help keep the immune system functioning properly and so on.

Ashley James (0:53:02.146)

What are your favorite sources of those healthy fats? What are some to avoid?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:53:11.022)

Avoid trans fats, that's fried foods, the package, the sad standard American diet foods. Avocado is a great one for A blood types and O non-secretors. Keep telling the blood type thing out, but I mean, it does make a difference. I'm a B blood type and avocado will crash my immune system. My throat will actually close. If I eat sushi or something with avocado or guacamole, my throat will literally close up and I have to excuse myself.

So, avocado is a good plant source of omega 3s. Yes, otherwise it's fish or fish oils or flax oil or chia seed would be the plant sources. So yes, we need to pursue that though, especially if a lot of your people are plant based. So it takes an active pursuit to get the flax oil, ground flax oil. You want to grind it fresh ideally, so it doesn't go rancid or capsules, that kind of thing.

Ashley James (0:54:10.558)

Yes, I love chia. I'm allergic to flax, which really sucks, because flax is so good for you. Every few years I keep trying flax, maybe I'm over it now. Nope. 

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:54:23.876)

Wow, have you tried it ground? Does that make a difference?

Ashley James (0:54:27.012) 

No, It can be trace amounts. But nope, unfortunately I can't. But chia is wonderful. I love making chia pudding. 

I think avocados came from heaven. That was the manna in the Bible. That was the manna that fell every day from the sky was avocados. So we're pretty good there. Obviously fried food, oil, trans fat, anything that comes in a container, some kind of weird margarine. Those are horrible, toxic things we should stay away from.

I love it. You've given us such gold. I just want to pump your brain. It's so exciting. So we've talked about low dopamine and these are things that can cause headaches. You said the low dopamine can cause monthly headaches and is hormone related because there's low estrogen. Then you said that there's high dopamine, high estrogen, so like an estrogen dominant person?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:55:29.530)

Right, which typically means the liver is not breaking the estrogen down properly. There's at least four key pathways in the liver that need to break the estrogen down. So that's the clinical fun, it’s figuring out which of those is awry. When we identify which pathway is off, then that also gives us insight. Throughout the age spots, the brown age spots are said in the literature to be a poor estrogen metabolism.

That typically means methylation is under-functioning. That's a massive week-long seminar subject. But methylation is so huge, it's very B12 dependent. I think we talked about last time that the lactobacillus enzyme organisms in the gut make B12 for us. So that's kind of God's wisdom in the body.

Helping facilitate methylation and so on. So if that's under-functioning and otherwise we're B12 deficient, or the gut biome is out of whack so that they're not making the B12 to drive methylation, then a person can end up with these estrogen dominance symptoms. Brown spots are a cosmetic concern. But certainly if that was to progress over time, then that estrogen, methylated estrogen, is floating around and becomes very carcinogenic. That's where we end up with bigger problems down the road.

If it's a pathway called P450, cytochrome P450 is the first phase of liver detoxification, when that one's under-functioning, which is dependent on antioxidants, so there's all your green leafy vegetables and lovely fruits and vegetables that are so high in antioxidants, your avocados, then that helps that pathway work fine and break that down. But if estrogen is not breaking down properly in P450, that's going to set the stage again for high estrogen symptoms. But down the road, that's the more malignant type of cancer where cells all over the place are mutating and going bananas. So those are definitely some pathways that we want to make sure they're functioning right. Comes down to eating our plants, eating our green leafies for the folic acid and feeding to make the B12 and the B6 that drives those path—the methylation especially—and antioxidants for P450. We keep those functioning and that's how we stay out of the oncology ward.

Ashley James (0:57:51.802)

I love it. It sounds like you do some  genetic testing with your clients.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:57:58.538)

I can actually do it through muscle testing. Yes.

Ashley James (0:58:02.874)

Shut up. Okay, that's coming back to that really cool course that my listeners get $50 off that they can go check out. That is super interesting. Have you ever just for fun done the muscle testing and then done the genetic testing to confer or just go, hey, yes, wow, I was pretty on track with that.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:58:26.750)

Great question. In my earlier days, as I was working out what's now called the Verso technique, I did a lot more lab testing, but I got to a point where I actually felt out of integrity almost by charging or running labs that just proved me right, as it were.

Ashley James (0:58:46.790)

But you did prove yourself right enough times that you felt confident with the muscle testing technique.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (0:58:54.266)

Totally. It takes them three weeks to get the results back. By that point, the condition was typically fixed, but it just said, yes, this is what we saw.

On the genetic front, I am kind of digging into that a little deeper currently. Epigenetics is helping our good genes function or helping suppress our bad genes. I think there's a massive world that's about to be discovered there.

I alluded to the retrovirus, and COVID is one of them. It tends to compromise methylation, and so that suppresses it. I suspect where we're going to end up is recognizing that viruses compromise, and flu-type viruses will ramp up the P450—the first-phase detoxification. So there are these triggers that can actually manipulate genes.

I can't find anything in the literature that substantiates that, but we know that retroviruses suppress methylation. So that's going to be that MTHFR gene. If we correct that function, that facilitates the immune system—which reminds me, we need to go back to that on the immune and how to treat viruses and so on, or help the body treat viruses. Let's go back there.

Facilitating those pathways suppresses them. I haven't seen anything to confirm that they will be a hundred percent reverse or correct. But I think it's—I mean, God of infinite possibility.

Ashley James (1:00:27.402)

Absolutely. Yes, let's talk about the immune system. But in the back of my mind as you're talking, I'm just thinking about all the people that were vaccine injured the last four years. Can't even call it a vaccine. It was a medical experiment.

It's so horrific. I know so many people who died, died suddenly. I lost a best friend. I've seen so many children where parents just thought they were doing the best they could and with all the information they had at the time, were permanently damaged. I mean, God willing, they're not permanently damaged, but they're significantly damaged at this point.

I've just seen so much of it in my own personal circle of people, although a large group of people that I surround myself with are people who don't jab with anything. But then, with all the different communities I'm involved in, I've seen so many people damaged.

Then of course, on a professional level, on a weekly basis, people reach out to me and ask, I got injured by the COVID vaccine. What do I do? Or can you point me in the right direction?

I've seen some things really work, but I don't know because it messed with your RNA synthesis. So I just don't, I don't know. I just really don't.

Do you have any thoughts on that?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:01:51.775)

There's hope. Yes, they're massive subjects, and thank you for being willing to bring it up. My favorite resource on that is Standard Processes, a primary company that I lecture for. They have a line called the PMG—stands for protomorphogens. So for me, ultimately it's through the muscle testing, the Versatile Technique, identify what organ is most compromised or was most challenged from that so-called Vax and then give the PMG product for whatever that is.

So if it was a heart that was damaged, for example, there's a product called Cardiotrophin PMG. So we give that product and take three twice a day, fairly common thing initially for a couple of weeks or a month. That kind of rebuilds the heart and tells the immune system it's okay. It stops attacking the heart, for example, or the thyroid or the pancreas or the liver that has been damaged.

Again, that kind of goes back to there was probably a weak link when they received the shot, and then it just exaggerated that. So then we rebuild that gland or organ, and that seems to be taking care of most of those side effects.

We do have the adjuvants that were new too—the graphene oxide that was new for the COVID Vax. That's a whole nother animal, and that is often what's placking up the arteries and causing that.

There's a whole documentary on that, Died Suddenly, that shows people and has video of how they all turn, look to the left, and think it looks like they're looking for an alien, and they're done. That's that graphene oxide.

Ashley James (1:03:38.751)

Yep. My friend's daughter actually survived, and she has video of her doing that where her arm spasms out. She's doing the Nazi salute, I didn't know how to say that in a better way, but her arm goes straight out, and then her head kind of shifts over, and she can't help herself. It was in, but it's not Iike a normal seizure.

I saw so many clips of people having this specific seizure after, shortly after getting the poison injected into them. It's on Rumble. People can find that. Go to Rumble. Rumble is the uncensored YouTube. You can find that documentary. Really worth watching just to educate yourself on this whole world that the mainstream will not let you know about whatsoever.

So you said PMG— is it M as in Mary?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:04:37.785)

Yes, protomorphogen, so P-M-G. Then my favorite when graphene oxide from the Vax is compromising in that very unique kind of almost seizure-stroke-looking pattern that you described, is iron supplements with vitamin C. Vitamin C certainly helps absorb the iron and offset the graphene oxide.

But vitamin C is also a very great detoxer, it helps drive that P450 phase one detoxification pathway. Iron products with vitamin C tend to work really well for that.

Ashley James (1:05:13.321)

I've also heard boron—taking one to two milligrams of boron a day—is also part of that. There's a woman I've had on the show five times, you may have heard of it, it's called the Platinum Energy System. It's an ionic foot bath that removes heavy metals from the body and it does a few other things. It's a frequency specific microcurrent. It's a rife machine. It's really cool.

I've had her on the show several times. It's Kellyann Andrews, and the website's platinumenergysystems.ca to their system or systems. It's just off the top of my head. Wonderful woman. She'll spend so much time on the phone with you. She's a nurse, been doing this for years. I witnessed with my own eyes someone with severe vaccine injury recover using it daily. Getting results recovering. We also have other practitioners who are anecdotally saying, yes, we're getting really good results because it's supporting the body's ability to heal itself by drawing out heavy metals. It does a few other things, but that's just what I know. So just sharing my knowledge. Yes, we got it.

We got it all kind of pulled together and share what we see works because the mainstream is not going to acknowledge this. Heard one of my friend's daughters was in a children's hospital for a whole month with horrific, horrific life-threatening consequences after getting the vaccine and they would not acknowledge that it was vaccine-related. Wouldn't even acknowledge it. That's just really sad that they're not even willing to go down that road. That's because they get funded by big pharma. So what do you want? We have to question everything. Okay, so let's dive into the immune system.

Yes, super excited. Now this is for people who have headaches or just generally?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:07:10.549)

In life, as you mentioned, we're going into cold and flu season. My line is cold and flu season starts when Halloween candy hits the shelves. As you alluded to, suppresses the immune system and basically causes white blood cells to go dormant for four hours. Most of the time people are eating sugar before that four hours is up again. That leaves the body vulnerable. 

Parasites are another one that polarize the immune system to be more susceptible to viruses. So if a person has a chronic parasite, then that's going to leave them more virally vulnerable. But ultimately, all bugs are opportunists. So when I shifted my paradigm to call it more the terrain sort of perspective, looking at where the weakness is, my results just went through the roof and started chasing around trying to kill viruses per se or kill bacteria most other practitioners are going to do. I look at where the weakness is that allows that parasite, virus, or bacteria to flourish. 

So if there was a weak lung, then somebody sneezes on them, they end up with a virus in the lung, for example. So we would look at what it would take to strengthen the lung and then the body has the reserves, has the mojo to kill that bug as it should, as it was originally designed. Typically, it's things we're doing. 

Dairy is a biggie to suppress the immune system, processed dairy for sure. I mentioned avocados for you. Avocados are godsend. So it depends. It's somewhat different for each. Identifying what is suppressing the immune system that allows the bug to flourish, but then ultimately is it a weakness in the intestine? At least half the immune system, if not more nowadays, is from what's going on in the gut and the gut biome. Then we've got lung concerns or spleen weakness or massive thymus gets suppressed from the aluminum in vaccines and the pre-COVID vaccines, all your flu and all the HEP and vaccines that most people are forced to take to get through school and so on. Those are loaded with aluminum and mercury and that aluminum suppresses the thymus, which is the tagging mechanism for the immune system. So then the immune system, and that's part of what allows them to then have that virus start the antibodies and do what they're trying to do with the vaccine. But ultimately it suppresses the thymus and then we lose a tagging mechanism to say, hey, this is a toxic metal or this is a virus, go to work immune system, get it out of here.

So we want that to function optimally. Aluminum in deodorants is another potential source there. That's more prone to affect the lymphatic system, but from VAX's is a biggie to inhibit that thymus. That was kind of where I was talking about where I had trouble throwing because one of the rotator cuff muscles called the infraspinatus is a very prolific muscle in the rotator cuff that gets weak and compromised. 

Throat injury where it feels like they can't throw or hurts to put the arm up over the head. That's a sign that that muscle associated with the thymus gland or the immune system is not functioning properly. So that's a sign that you want to get aluminum out of your world. Get some good minerals going on to offset that, or take a supplement like thymus PMG is a very common one to tag up. Now that's a lot of what I use if a kid has to get immunizations or so. I'm loading them up with that Thymus PMG for damage control to try to mitigate damage that way.

Ashley James (1:11:09.998)

I love it. I was going to ask what we should do for the thymus gland, but you answered that for me. I’ve standard process. That's all. I have a very small list of companies I trust and Standard Process is one of them. So that's cool. So yes. So, so PMG, is that something you could just take all throughout?

Candy season, all throughout flu season. If someone's, listen, I'm not going to avoid sugar 100%. I'll do my best. I'm still going to eat a few. I'm still going to have some pie on Thanksgiving. I'm still going to have a little bit. I'll cut back a bunch. I won't overdo it. But what can I do? Because most people, most people are not you and me who are, we're not going to eat any sugar at all. I make my own pumpkin pie with no sugar. I use a little bit of date syrup or a little bit of maple syrup, not much. Lay on the spices super thick because I like a spicy pie and also they're so good for you. I just think that the flavor of the pumpkin really shines anyway. I just find that regular pumpkin pies are just so sickly sweet you can't even taste the pumpkin. So I like to find ways of making alternatives that are naturally low in sugar, but also like eating an apple. People go, carbs are bad. It's like, what? Fruit, vegetables, these things are carbs, they're super healthy for you. It's not the same thing as doing teaspoons or tablespoons of processed sugar. It's just not the same thing at all. 

So for those who eat some sugar but promise to cut back significantly, what can they do during the flu season to just, again, I say flu season, but in parentheses, it's sugar season. What can we do during the winter months?

To really just bolster the immune system and just, everyone else in the office or at school is sniffling and coughing. We're just breezing through.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:13:21.560)

Learn to listen to your body. Stress cortisol suppresses that thymus gland that we were just talking about. So that's part of why the thymus is much more prolific pre-immunization, much more prolific in children into the teens. Whereas they used to say when I was in school, they said it shriveled up as we became an adult, but it still has function. So listen to your body. 

Like I said, if I eat avocado, my immune system will crash. Whereas I can get away with that potentially when life is chill or things are good. But I'm certainly not going to push it when I'm in a high-stress season. So, first up again, my platform everywhere is, listen to your body. But then vitamins A and C are huge, your antioxidants. There's lots of good products that are loaded with that to help the immune system function.

Echinacea is great for the immune system. If you get a good one, there's alkylamides that you want, that's the immune-building part that's going to taste pretty crazy if you taste it. If you help, if you got a good echinacea. Again, A and C and echinacea really are the starting point.

Then there's some of the new mushroom products. Standard Process makes an EpiImmune product that works really well to generally bolster the immune system. They have Congaplex, that's for congestion, Congaplex . That's for more antibacterial, immune building. Then they have Emuplex that's more kind of tilted towards an antiviral cascade. That has some of the spleen and vitamins A and C in it.

So there's a lot of great options. Ultimately it's to figure out what works best for you. Colloidal silver is another kind of unique one. If there's a sore throat or localized infections in the eye or the sinuses, the colloidal silver works well. That's pretty readily available. So ultimately figure out what has worked for you in the past and keep it going during the season.

Ashley James (1:15:35.324)

I have a whole interview with Dr. Keith. My gosh. I was able to recall his name yesterday. I'll get it. It's in my brain. I have a whole interview with Dr. Keith on Nano Silver. Nano Silver is different from Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver is Nano Silver's dumb cousin. Nano Silver is amazing. There's over 400 studies published about it.

Dr. Keith was involved in that. So I recommend going to my website, just type in LearnTrueHealth.com, type in Nano Silver to listen to that one, because it's pretty wild that it is even better. Colloidal Silver, and I grew up loving Colloidal Silver, but if you use colloidal silver, you're going to be blown away by Nano Silver. I also do ozone. I have an ozone machine. I make my own ozone water. So if we ever kind of start getting a little bit of sore throat, all of us are gargling our ozone water as well. Just anything you can do to catch it. I love that you said, listen to your body, because anything you could do to catch it right at the beginning, then you're good, you're good. You can blow it out before it really takes hold.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:16:49.666)

For sure. The silver facilitates that P450 pathway we were talking about, which ramps up the liver. Believe it or not, everything's the liver as detoxification, but it has a couple key pathways in there for viruses and bugs. That P450 pathway is great against the cold flu virus. That's where kind of the mechanism of action for the silver, great product. Yes, the Nano Silver is a great way to go.

Ashley James (1:17:16.218)

Wow. So cool. We have a few more minutes before we have to wrap up because I know you got to go. But I want to just make sure that we're covering everything you wanted to make sure you covered today. Your book coming out. I know my jaw's been on the floor several times today. I know my listeners as well. Your book covers so, so much. We're going to learn things like this in your book.

So we should get your book. Tell us about your book that's coming out. Actually, I'm going to publish this right as your book comes out so they can run straight to Amazon and grab it. Tell us about your book, the name, and everything we need to know.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:17:56.776)

Thank you. Wonderful. Yes. I got into, as we talked about on episode 523, I got into healthcare because of the headaches I was having. I was told that I might have an aneurysm, don't work out and you're going to die kind of thing. Then he said, well, you don't have an aneurysm, go see a psychiatrist. So I kind of made it my mission to figure out and using these applied kinesiology tools or the understanding of acupuncture meridians and so on. I made it my mission to figure out the patterns of headaches and what the location meant.

Ultimately it whittled down to seven different patterns. So every headache, and a person may have one or two or three of the patterns, but every headache whittles down to one of these seven locations, whether it's a right-sided problem, a left-sided problem, a frontal, what I call third eye is another one. The whole head is a headband or the suboccipital tension type of a headache.

Each of those has a different trigger, whether it's a gallbladder, stomach, pituitary, poor stress management, poor stress tolerance as the frontal headache. So the book goes into each of those patterns and then talks about the typical triggers or emotional triggers, things that the DIY stuff, things that people can do themselves to get rid of the cause of those headaches and stop sounding the alarm that they might have a stroke or a cardiovascular problem.

Empower people to make good choices and learn from what their body's trying to tell them. That's why it's called The Headache Advantage. Because I do find clinically that the location of the head pain really ultimately is the priority. They may have symptoms associated with the stomach and hormones and a lot of other things, but the location of the headache is going to be the priority. Typically, if we fix whatever the cause of, say, the left side of headache is, that will take care of the lion's share of the rest of their symptoms. It's a very nice tool that way.

Ashley James (1:19:54.458)

So cool. I think the last thing I wasn't sure we fully covered was people have anxiety and restless sleep between 1 and 3 a.m. Did we get to cover that one?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:20:13.648)

I’m presumptuous. I'm trying to get myself invited back.

Ashley James (1:20:17.054)

Yes. Come back. Come back. I like it. Well, man, you leave me wanting to go down these rabbit holes and learn more and more. I think I love that. I very seldom do I get a guest that gets me so excited about health, gets me so excited about learning about how food, and how herbs, how life's simple lifestyle changes, how it has the mechanism of action. This affects your phase one of liver detox. I'm like, cool. Tell me more.

I can't believe you just took corn away from me. I'm going to run downstairs and frantically throw out all the corn. Not that I have a ton of it, but I have some. I have some frozen corn in the organic frozen corn in the freezer. I think I'll just use it as an ice pack or something, but no more, no more corn for me.

That's fine. Honestly, I'm at the stage in my life where I don't want to be ignorant. I want to know what hurts me and what helps me. That wasn't always the case. I think a lot of people want to walk around and just have that freedom, which I miss sometimes, the freedom to just eat anything. I'm like, yes, but most food is junk.

That's what we don't understand is that we can't walk around and just eat anything. This is what I say often on the show. Look around you. If you want to be a statistic, one in three people have diabetes, pre-diabetes, have obesity, and multiple health issues. Seventy percent of Americans are on at least one prescription medication—mental health, emotional health, physical health. It's all deteriorating. Look at the numbers. Look at the statistics. One in three people will have a cancer diagnosis.

We are a sick nation and obviously you're listening to a health podcast. You're clued in, not one of the people that is burying their head in the sand. But if you want to be a statistic, then do what everyone else is doing. Just go with the flow. Eat whatever. Just eat the way everyone else is eating. Drink alcohol the way everyone else is drinking. Stay up late. Don't exercise. Don't move your body. Just do what everyone else is doing. You too could win the prize of—pick your prize, pick your disease that you want to give yourself. But I gave myself disease, and I was able to reverse it. You can turn disease on and off in the body based on your diet.

I had the wonderful experience of recreating disease in me based on my choices and went, I didn't learn my lesson the first time. I'm going to come back for the second time and learn.

You empower us. Thank you—to make better choices. Yes. You empower us to make better choices because you're putting the power back in our hands going, no, listen, you don't need to wait to get sick and go see a doctor and get a drug. You can heal yourself. But it's so confusing and there's so much dogma around diet and around nutrition.

So to come in and have someone go, let's decode your headaches, let's decode your symptoms and listen to the body and help give the body what it needs. That's really exciting.

My listeners are everywhere. So can people work with you online or do they have to come see you in person? How does that work?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:23:58.946)

Yes, actually, thank you. I saw somebody from one of your shows remotely a couple of weeks ago. Yes, so we do do remote visits and I have three other doctors in the office as well. My schedule is congested, thankfully, I guess. But yes, we have three other doctors that do the same thing as well. So yes, we can do remote visits and figure this stuff out for you that way.

Ashley James (1:24:24.622)

Awesome, and what website is best for them to go to?

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:24:28.981)

For the clinic, it is drvrzal.com. The book is headacheadvantage.com. That also has some links for potential supplement and food choices based on the location of headaches.

Ashley James (1:24:48.917)

Cool. Then the muscle testing, which of course I'm going to have all these links in the show notes. No matter where you listen to, you'll find them in the details, but your functional muscle testing course, which I'm really excited about, the website is at sownutritionalsystems.com/functional-muscle-testing. So I just wanted to say it. Just in case you have a hard time finding it. Then the coupon code is LTH for $50 off. Thank you so much.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:25:22.123)

Absolutely. Yes, maybe an easier way to get to those videos is Vrzal Technique. We'll take you to that same site.

Ashley James (1:25:28.154)

Wonderful. So vrzaltechnique.com and then LTH coupon code. Hey, come back to the show. Keep teaching us. We want to hear more. I'm speaking for everyone. We're like, don't take away our favorite foods. But at the same time, we really need to know. We need to know. I'm excited for you to come back and continue teaching about understanding our pain and understanding our bodies and listening to the whispers of our body and what nutrition we can give us so that we can live in optimal health. It was wonderful having you on the show. I can't wait to have you back.

Dr. Scott Vrzal (1:26:04.572)

Thank you so much. It was a true pleasure and sorry to make it such a Hallmark movie with no cord. I can feel great. I'm empowered. That was fun.

Outro:

Wasn't that an amazing interview with Dr. Scott? Can't you just wait to have him back on the show? We're definitely going to have him back because he's such a wealth of knowledge and, oh my goodness, he had my jaw on the floor a few times. Didn't he have to draw your jaw on the floor a few times? I want to remind you to check out his functional muscle testing introduction and intermediate classes online. The link to that again is https://sownutritionalsystems.com/functional-muscle-testing/ and, of course, the link, the very long link, is going to be in the show notes of today's podcast at learntruehealth.com or wherever you're listening from. Just click on the notes or the details and it'll pop up right there. Remember to use and always use coupon code LTH if you take the course. Let me know what you think.

I'm really excited to take the course. It's on my list of courses to take. I actually like taking four courses right now online and it is. It's right there in my folder in Firefox waiting to jump in and complete it and then play with it. So when I do, I'm going to be sharing in the Learn True Health Facebook group my experience, and I'd love to hear your experience as well. So, when you do the course, come on in the water's nice and warm, come jump on in to the Learn True Health Facebook group and let us know what you thought and what you learned. Let us know what your body said when you started, when you started talking to your body and started talking back. Let us know.

I'm curious. I'm curious to hear how it helps you, how it impacts you, and thank you for sharing this episode with those who care about them. I'm really excited to hear how many people we can help end their chronic headaches and migraines. So, please, please, if this episode helps you, I want to hear about it. Can you please, either just private message me, email me or publicly, you can just blast the horn on social media, and tag me at Learn True Health or in the Facebook group. I just really want to hear. I want to count how many people we help to permanently end those nasty chronic migraines and headaches because that's why I do this—knowing that we're ending the needless suffering of millions. So let's do that and please share so we can do that. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being an amazing listener and have yourself a fantastic rest of your day.

Get Connected with Dr. Scott Vrzal!

Website- Headache Advantage

Website- Dr. Scott Vrzal

Book by Dr. Scott Vrzal

The Headache Advantage: 7 Pain Patterns as Tools for Total Body

---

Join the Learn True Health Community Group on Facebook

Order High-Quality Supplements

Visit Our YouTube Channel