532: Scientific Leap In Restorative Health Tech Innovation: Affordable PEMF & Frequency Specific Microcurrent

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Imagine a device that could help relieve pain, improve sleep, and boost mental clarity—all without medication. In this episode of the Learn True Health podcast, we sit down with Mark Fox, the brilliant ex-rocket scientist who created The Vibe, a groundbreaking PEMF (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) device. Unlike traditional machines that cost thousands, The Vibe is portable, affordable, and designed for everyday use.

Mark shares the science behind PEMF therapy, its impact on conditions like PTSD, anxiety, inflammation, and even ADHD, and how this technology is changing lives. Whether you're seeking natural pain relief or a way to optimize your well-being, this conversation will open your eyes to the future of holistic healing.

Highlights:

• Mark Fox, an ex-rocket scientist, developed The Vibe, an affordable and portable PEMF (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) device.
• Traditional PEMF machines can cost thousands, but The Vibe is designed to be more effective at a fraction of the price.
• PEMF technology helps with pain relief, mental clarity, sleep improvement, and emotional balance.
• Studies show PEMF can aid PTSD, anxiety, depression, ADHD, fibromyalgia, and even asthma.
• The Vibe has over 70 programs, including sleep, inflammation, detox, and brain balancing.
• Many users experience deep relaxation, reduced stress, and faster healing from injuries.
• Hydration is key to maximizing the effects of PEMF therapy.
• Clinical studies on blood sugar regulation and PTSD have shown promising results.
• Mark envisions PEMF technology integrated into smart devices for effortless healing.
• Regulatory challenges make it difficult to promote PEMF’s benefits, despite its proven effectiveness.

Intro:

Hello True Health Seekers and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast. We're going to jump right into this interview, but before we do, I have to tell you one thing. The website is https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth, https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth, That is the discount that our listener today is giving us, which I was so excited to find out he was giving us a discount. That's all set up for you. He's giving a great discount.

This machine, which we spend a good hour talking about, has testimonials and stories of success that I've had, both personally with several of my friends and several of my family members over the last three months using this machine. I am really grateful that he made it affordable because these machines are normally thousands of dollars, and he made it so affordable. It's so neat how I came across this machine, and it's really cool what this guy is doing. He's been in the PEMF and frequency-specific microcurrent space for several years now. With his background in the sciences and in developing machines, he was able to figure out how to create this to be portable, simple, affordable, and actually more effective. In my personal experience and my experience with several of my friends and family members, his machine is more effective than the other machines I have used on the market. I have even used a machine that was $40,000. I don't own it. I went to a clinic and got almost nothing using those PEMF machines, the $40,000 machines. I've used the $10,000 Beamer mats. I've used frequency-specific microcurrent before and other machines that were thousands and thousands of dollars. His is just a few hundred dollars. Plus, he gives us a great discount, and I get better results from it because he rethought the whole technology.

So he comes in sharing today, a good half of the conversation is talking about our experiences with it, and then he gets into the science of it. What I'm really excited about is where rubber meets the road, the studies, so he talks about the studies and the ongoing studies he's doing. We're definitely going to have him back on the show because he's continuing to do clinical studies, gathering that information, and bringing it out to the masses. His goal is to revolutionize health and help people get out of pain and suffering, and I can see it working. I'm really excited.

If  someone has PTSD, anxiety, depression, sleep issues, or insomnia. If  someone has any kind of pain issues, low back pain, chronic pain, migraines, gut issues. If  someone has MS or fibromyalgia, any kind of chronic pain. If  someone has ADHD, any kind of anxiety issues, sleep issues, or anyone who's just feeling uncomfortable in their own body, mentally, emotionally, or physically, there are over 70 programs you can run using this machine. I have run through them and gotten some really cool results, mentally, emotionally, and physically. If you have a friend in your life who you think of when I mention that, please share this episode with them because together we are helping end needless suffering. My goal is to help over a million people to learn true health, end needless suffering, and gain true health. Please help me in doing that by sharing this episode with those you care about.

The link is https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth, that's https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth. If you ever reach out to Mark Fox, my guest, when you buy one of his devices, if you ever chat with him, if you're on Facebook, he runs all his own Facebook posts. If you ever follow him on Facebook, if you ever happen to see him on YouTube or email him because you're chatting about The Vibe, just thank him. Thank him for his time. Thank him for all he's doing because what he's doing is amazing.

He's helped so many, for example, so many vets to end their PTSD, end their depression, and end their suffering. That's just one slice of a small example of what he's doing to help humanity. Thank him and continue to share this information, share this podcast so we can help all those people that are crying themselves to sleep. I used to be crying myself to sleep, suffering. You don't even know the people in your life who are crying themselves to sleep because they're suffering, they’re losing hope, and they don't know a way out. This could be the answer for them. That's why I'm so jazzed, I'm so excited that together we can help people to learn true health. Enjoy today's interview.

Welcome to the Learn True Health podcast. I’m your host Ashley James. This is episode 532.

Ashley James (0:05:24.692)

I am so excited for today's guest. You got to understand, I'm having a fangirl moment. We're having Mark Fox on the show, the creator of The Vibe, which has been probably one of the most interesting holistic medical devices I've ever used. Our entire family uses it daily. We kind of fight over it, which is really funny. We take turns using it.

I've shared it with friends, and I have some amazing testimonials I can't wait to share with you guys. I've been thinking about you, the listener, for the last few months, because we've been using it for three months daily in my family and with my friends. We share it wherever we go because I always carry it with me. I keep thinking about how I want to share this with you guys because there are so many possibilities for how it'll support you in your healing goals and increase the quality of your life. 

First off, tremendous help with pain on multiple, multiple occasions. So there's that, but not everyone's in pain, but it has helped me on an emotional, mental level so much. I'm very excited to get into it today. Mark, welcome to the show.

Mark Fox (0:06:34.216)

Thank you so much for having me. This is exciting.

Ashley James (0:06:36.692)

Absolutely. Well, I'm Christian, but beyond that, I believe in God. I believe in fate. I believe in that cosmic divine, just how it kind of brings order to chaos and brings us together. This was one of those answers to my prayers, and it popped up on my feed.

I saw a video on it, and I immediately felt that I had to pursue it. I had to go down this rabbit hole. I see lots of videos on health stuff. I'm a health nut. I love it. But I don't always get that feeling. Sometimes I get that red flag feeling. I don't know if this looks a little too.. I don't know, but for The Vibe, I had this intense curiosity, this divine guidance that I needed to pursue it. So I bought one. I thought, you know what, okay, I think there's a return policy. It's actually affordable, but everything I'm seeing so far looks great. I kind of dug in for a few hours and started watching interviews of you and started watching testimonials. I got more and more excited. I told my husband about it. He got even more excited than me. So he was like, when is that coming? When is it arriving? When we received it, we immediately started using it and started having these crazy, fun results.

So again, very excited for you to be here. I've been thinking for the last three months about this interview because I reached out to you pretty soon after we started wearing it. I was like, I have to get you on my show. We have to share this with all my listeners who are sick of being sick and who want a leg up, who want to start feeling better, or the listener who has been on their health journey for years and is constantly refining it and looking to improve health. No matter where they are, looking to improve every aspect of life. 

What I love about The Vibe is that it hits on mental health, emotional health, energetic health, and physical health. It's hitting on these multiple layers of health. I've talked about it, but I still haven't said what it is.

Mark, first of all, you have an extensive background, and I'd love for you to share a bit about your background and what about your background led to you creating The Vibe.

Mark Fox (0:08:57.274)

My background is kind of diverse and weird, but I would say that I was an ex-rocket scientist. I was a chief engineer on the space shuttle program for a number of years. Then I went into the computer industry and actually women's clothing. I owned, actually still own, a piece of a company there.

You said something about red flags. When I first came across this, I'm a rocket scientist, and I'm skeptical. I still don't believe this stuff after researching and playing with it for 20, 30 years now, I think. I was very skeptical, but a very good friend of mine is a real forward-thinking veterinarian. His name's Dr. Oz Jackson. Our dog got arthritis in her spine.

It was really bad. He said, hey, there's this lady who has this magic machine that can reverse arthritis. If you've had your dog for 12, 13 years, they're part of the family. You're kind of freaking out. I'll try anything. Unfortunately, she got so sick so fast. We didn't get a chance to drive her because it was all the way to Oregon. But that piqued my interest in the technology.

What really motivated me was initially PTSD and trauma. I saw the amount of success people were having with it, but this was in clinical environments with doctors. The technology was kind of being held hostage without going through hoops to get the treatments. That motivated me, and then the machines were so ridiculously expensive. My undergrad is chemical engineering. I'm not an electrical engineer, but I'm going to grant myself an electrical engineering degree after this because it's burning things up and catching things on fire. This doesn't work, and physicists and engineers all tell me something, and then I go test it, and I go, well, that isn't right. What do we know? Okay. So that’s really what motivated me the most initially was, primarily, our military. The 44th suicide today. I'm counting first responders in there. So you've got 22 military vets, or maybe a little not much, 5 medical workers and 2 active duty. That's not counting me, you, and all the civilians. That stuff doesn't get counted. That frankly disturbed me, that this technology is available, it's just not affordable. So how do you make something that's small, convenient, and affordable? That was the primary thing I went after—PTSD and trauma. It's still probably the biggest one. In fact, we just had an independent agency.

I think I've done the largest PEMF PTSD study in the country for sure. I just got a third party to validate all the data, which is really exciting too. So I mean, that's how I got started in it. There are lots and lots of different protocols in it. It's been an interesting path. Can you call it a job if you don't make any money?

This is the most interesting job I've ever had and the most exciting. I get up in the morning and play with the stuff. We're a small startup. We're not making any money yet. Mark Zuckerberg has all my money because the ads are so expensive. It's going in the right direction. At least most pieces of it are. Long answer to how I got started. It was basically my dog, PTSD, and me being ex-military as well. That just rubbed me the wrong way.

Soldiers didn't have access to it. The last point there that I didn't make was I thought it would be mostly military people, but it's not. At least half is civilian, and a lot of them are women. Trauma, divorce, miscarriages, bad husbands, bad boyfriends, life—all of that bringing trauma. It's really helped a lot of people with it.

I know people don't believe it because I don't believe it. We have a 98% success rate with that PTSD protocol. I've got to be careful because the FDA will not allow me to say conditions. Even though it was a PTSD study that was based on the Veterans Administration questionnaires, we're just calling it a wellness study. It's five different categories—sleep, less stress, and those types of things—that the independent agency reviewed. It's still exciting to have a third party endorse it all.

Ashley James (0:13:49.161)

I love that you did the study and piqued my interest to try your device. We haven’t even talked about really what The Vibe is and you had mentioned that it's PEMF, which I want to get into later. But first, I want to tell you that my daughter died during childbirth. She was almost completely out. It was so painful, and I had PTSD from it. I didn't even know for months. I didn't know I had PTSD because I was also reeling from grief. I had postpartum. I had really bad COVID right after, which probably was more related to the grief than anything. Then we also had to move. We had our house for seven years, and we had to move suddenly. So it was just a big pile of emotional mess that we were gracefully navigating through. It wasn't until a few months later when I talked to another guest on my show, who him and I have become great friends, Dr. Glenn Livingston. He's been on my show several times.

I had a conversation with him. I said, I just don't know what's wrong with me. I walk into the kitchen, and my mind goes blank. I have this brick wall in my head, and I can't even function. I don't know. If you told me to make toast, I wouldn't know what to do. I would just stand there. I had this big brick wall come up in my head when simple tasks became insurmountable. I would just cry every day. I've done a lot of stuff to heal, so I've come a long way.

When I started using your Vibe, I turned it on to the PTSD setting. It felt really good. I just felt calmer, happier. I just noticed the day became easier. Again, this is three years after her death. So I've done a ton of healing work already. It's not acute. But what I did notice after a few days of doing that protocol daily is that I began to laugh.

I began to laugh way more than normal. My son and I would just laugh together at silly nine-year-old boy humor. I think I started laughing 100% more, if not 200% more than I had been laughing previously. I just noticed I was smiling even more. I was calmer. Everything started to feel easier. I just swear by that protocol.

You have way more protocols. I was going through all the different protocols. The sleep protocol has been a game changer. My son is very hyperactive. He has tons of energy. He could probably pull all-nighters. Just to get him to bed is a whole ordeal that starts at 6 PM. It's just this whole ordeal. Last night, he wouldn't fall asleep till pretty late. I gave him The Vibe. I'm like, okay, just put this on. He turns it on. He knows how to work the machine. It's pretty easy. He puts the sleep on. The second he puts it on, he goes, I feel tired. The second I put this thing on, I feel tired. That's what he said last night.

I've watched it. We put it on him, and he falls asleep within minutes. Whereas without it, he'll lie awake for a really long time and keep complaining that he can't fall asleep. It's just amazing. It's amazing how using frequency can support the body's ability to come back into balance.

Mark Fox (0:17:26.751)

I was just going to say the sleep thing too. Back on PTSD, there's an important point I want to make because I learned this the hard way. So when I said we have a 98% success rate, what I'm using is the Veterans Administration. It's 20 questions, zero to four, highest you could score is an 80. If you score above 30 to 33, they will tell you you likely have PTSD. So when I say a 98% success rate, it means before and after 30 days, the person's score came down.

Now, to be statistically and clinically significant, it needs to drop 11 points or more. Two out of three will drop more than 11 points. So that's all the good news. The potential bad news, and at first, I didn't know what to do about it. Almost a third, maybe even 40% of the people will tell me, yes, I don't know if it helped me. I'm like, really?

So I started doing report cards, and I would get them on a Zoom call and say, so you don't think this helped you? And they go, maybe a little, not much. I go, well, you reported a 72, thirty days ago, and you just reported a 12. That is an insane improvement. Ashley, they start crying.

They forgot how bad they felt. I'm a rocket scientist. I'm not a doctor. I'm going to say that probably 12 times on this. I can't give medical advice. I don't treat, diagnose, or cure at all. The feds pull up to the front door. Okay, so I talked to a lot of doctors and psychiatrists and friends of mine that are in that field. They're like, yes, Mark Fox, that's true of every intervention in the world. I mean, people forget where they were.

So I almost started the report card so I didn't get a bunch of returns. I've had people do that, return it and go, yes, it didn't do anything for me. Then they call me back up and go, can I buy it back again? Because they forgot how bad they felt. So that's not a huge amount, but it's a weird phenomenon of the psyche.

I talked to a friend of mine I've known since kindergarten. He's a chiropractor. He goes, Mark, I've videotaped all new patients because they come in on a walker. The next time, they're on a cane. The next time, they come in with a lap dog. They'll go, yes, I could do this. I could always do this. He has to show them videos. I know you couldn't do that before. Have your listeners think about it.

Here's a good litmus test for that. Journal it yourself, okay? Or the strongest one that I've seen is go ask your spouse, family member, your kids, and your friends if you're acting differently.

That's been the biggest indicator. That isn't a biomarker. Just people go, hey, you haven't come over to our house in a year. You haven't come to a picnic before. You've never joined that. You haven't come to the ball game in two years, and now you're doing that. So then people kind of go, that's right, I haven't.

It's just kind of a weird phenomenon for people to think about because with ADHD and some of the protocols, teachers will call the parent and say, you switched Johnny's medication, didn't you? So the teacher will notice it. Hey, the kid is acting completely different.

Anyway, just a little side note. It's some interesting psychology that's going on as people kind of forget where they were and how bad they did feel, and they kind of recalibrate, which is kind of what the protocols are trying to do anyway—get some of the garbage out of your head.

Ashley James (0:21:01.423)

Interesting. I've had two clients, I do health coaching, and I've had two clients forget that they came to me with migraines. Just completely forget. I had to ask, hey, how are your migraines? And they said, what migraines? What are you talking about? I had to go back to the intake form and say, remember when you had migraines every week? They said, I forgot I had those because for six months they didn't have any. So yes, it's true. We really do forget how bad it was. That might be a good thing.

It's part of our healing, forget about it, move on. It's good that we kind of forget how much we suffered. But at the same time, we need to do journaling. I have here my notes for the last three months of some of the notable changes just from using The Vibe. I wanted to share it. But first, I wanted to let listeners know, as you're listening to this, you want to try it for yourself. It's actually quite affordable, especially compared to PEMF machines,

https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth, thank you for giving my listeners a discount. I really appreciate that. Here's my list. Our son has allergy-induced asthma, and it's very rare that he has issues. When he's exposed to an allergen, we do everything we can to support him, and occasionally he'll have an asthma attack. Your asthma setting stopped dead in its tracks, stopped two asthma attacks before we needed to go to the inhaler.

There was one asthma attack it couldn't stop, and that was when he was in respiratory distress, and we ended up in the hospital. That was very serious. Three times in his life he's been in the hospital. It can actually get really serious, really fast for him. But there were two asthma attacks. They were full-on, and within minutes of using the asthma setting on The Vibe, he was back to normal breathing. Of course, we were ready to give him the inhaler. He has control and can say, I want my inhaler. He gets to choose because he's been trained.

He will go six months or more without ever having an asthma attack. So it's not often. It always surprises us because we're really good about keeping away from his allergens. But we have also been doing that allergy protocol for him, which I noticed subtly working. He'll go from a runny nose and dark circles under his eyes after he's been exposed to dust mites, which is a big trigger for him. He goes over to someone's house, playing on a couch, and then all of a sudden, you can just see his face. He just looks like he's about to hit asthma. The setting on The Vibe for allergies has helped.

The PTSD program—I shared, I feel calm, focused, centered. I also noticed within the first month of using the PTSD protocol, because, now, again, I’m starting to forget how bad it was. It’s funny. It’s just been three months, but I typed out here, I was getting twice as much work done in the office on days that I would wear it while I was working or wore it right before I started to go into the office to work. I'd get twice as much done. I noticed that I'm able to stay focused and just bang out more work, which is great because I have to manage my time between homeschooling our son, the podcast, and everything.

I also noticed it helped me overcome some major mental blocks, which is really exciting. Yawning within one minute of putting on the sleep protocol for all of us, all three of us. So we kind of have to time it because we let our son have it earlier in the day. Then we sneak up to him while he's sleeping and take the device off. Then we wear it in bed. My husband ended up getting a second one so he could have one, I could have one. My mother-in-law has bought one.

So all of us have been using it. We noticed that we have even more vividly colorful dreams, which I thought was really interesting. I check my blood sugar once in a while, and I've been doing the insulin resistance protocol just to see, because I know you have a study. I'm excited to hear about how that's going. I do notice that my blood sugar is even better. So that was exciting.

My husband did the DIA protocol without knowing what DIA was—the depression, anxiety, insomnia protocol. Thank you, thank you. I was tripping on that.

Mark Fox (0:25:26.108)

Diabiological syndrome.

So just so you know, that's a word I made up because doctors get to make up words. So I get to make my own word up.

I call it the devil's triangle because it's depression, insomnia, anxiety combined. Very few people have only one. Either can't sleep because you're depressed or depressed because you can't sleep or you're anxious because you can't sleep. So I just called it diabiological syndrome.

I love it because when I present this, sometimes I can be in a keynote presentation, and somebody will go, yes, my dad was diagnosed with that. I just start laughing. I go, no, I made it up. It's a word that doesn't exist, but doctors get to make up words all the time. So I wanted to make up my own words.

Ashley James (0:26:04.056)

But it really fits. It really fits. When I started reading about the diabiological syndrome, I was like, that describes so many people I know and so many clients and so many people that suffer from that because you don't just have insomnia, but you're super happy all day long. I don't know why I can't sleep. I'm so happy. No, usually you have anxiety, depression, insomnia. They go really well together. 

There's also, hormonally, we can see it. We can see it on labs. We can see that cortisol really high at night. We can see it. My husband did it, and his ears popped. It had some effect. I know. He goes, what happened? My ears just popped. He had craniosacral. It caused his skull to realign, his ears popped. Then he said he felt this positive difference. He couldn't quite put his finger on it, and he's like, wow, I feel different. He had no idea what the DIA was.

But he he just wanted to go through every single frequency, every single program in the setting. So I told you before we hit record that I, and I promise I'll let you talk because I really want listeners to actually learn from you. But I'm so excited about these results. I wanted to share with listeners. I quit caffeine, and coming from someone who formerly had really bad, really bad chronic adrenal fatigue. I had insanely bad chronic adrenal fatigue. So coffee is a crutch. It's necessary, if you don't have coffee, you're not thinking straight. I have quit coffee using The Vibe. I am now doing the awaken program in the morning, and I am just, it is amazing. I feel so great. I'm like, I don't even need that stuff. I don't need coffee.

I feel amazing. So I thought that was super interesting, and I noticed it would give me mental clarity and motivation first thing in the morning. So I love waking up and turning on the awaken setting. The relax is, I mean, that's kind of self-explanatory, but I actually really do feel relaxed and calm when I do that one.

Mark Fox (0:28:15.085)

So actually, the awaken on the 417, just so, cause you've hit on about 12 good points already. I actually didn't know anything about addiction with it having anything to do with addiction. I had several people contacting me going, hey, this 417 Hertz is doing, and I go, what are you addicted to? I'm almost ashamed to say some of the examples, but it's okay. They just said, I don't want it anymore. So I've been doing some research on that. Knock on wood, we're supposed to have a billionaire here in the near future that's going to fund a big addiction study with the device, but that has not started yet. A couple comments that I heard you say that I want to comment on is one reason it won't work is if you don't use it. So I'm going to tell you a story of a good friend of mine who has had severe asthma his entire life.

I gave him a Vibe. Three months later, he called me from the airport and he goes, are you kidding me? I'm like, what? I ran this thing last night, and I'm not breathing like this since in my entire life. I'm like, you idiot. Are you just now using it? I gave it to you three or four months ago. He goes, yes, I know, I didn't get around to it. I'm like, so, so.

If it doesn't work, this is honest truth, if it doesn't work for you, and nothing's 100%, everyone knows that, but the most probable cause if it doesn't work is you ain't using it, you lied to me, okay, or you self-diagnosed yourself wrong and you're running the wrong protocol, but even that isn't a whole lot because any PEMF is going to help.

Even if it's not the right protocols. I've had people run the wrong one, and it still helps them. Hydration is, it will work if you're not hydrated, it just doesn't work as well. My theory is it's resonating with the water in your body. So people ask, hey, it's not a full mat, it's this tiny little pocket thing, it can't give you full body coverage. Well, it does. Because I've seen swollen ankles, broken feet, and stuff, the swelling go down when it's just in their top pocket.

As I just said, we know it doesn't work as well if you're not hydrated. I believe it's resonating with the water in your body like a pebble in a pond. Because the magnetic field itself can't travel that far. There's only two guys that will tell you bigger is better in the PEMF world, and those are the guys that sell the big machines. But the smaller stuff works. So that's my theory.

If you remember from science class, every alternating magnetic current is going to make a small electrical current that's alternating. Your body's electrically conductive. So just like wires, I believe the energy is traveling through the electrical conductivity of your body. Also, it's been recently discovered that humans have magnetite in their cells, like birds and sea turtles that can migrate, which would help transfer the energy too. So you get full body coverage.

Even though it's a small kind of localized device. I don't know if you'll laugh at this or not, but as far as dreams, I'm going to recommend Ashley, try using it the hour before bed. Don't take it to bed with you for a couple reasons. I think it works better, number one. Number two, if you have tile floors like me, you're going to knock it on the ground and break it eventually.

I, my entire life, have had awful dreams of people trying to stab me, kill me. I'm in a war. When I run this, I get Halle Berry.

Yes, it's just completely different. It's actually a little weird. I mean, I've woken up laughing before. I don't know how, okay. Again, I'm still skeptical on this stuff, even though I've been studying it forever. But anyway, there's a lot of comments you made there. Yes, addiction, never knew anything about it, that it would help with that. My favorite story, and I'm just going to say it because it's on top of my mind right now, and if this doesn't raise the hair on your arms, your listeners, then you're not human, okay?

A 17-year-old girl told me, Mark, I'll never have a date in my life because I have Tourette's. I'm a monster. I get bullied by everybody. She had migraines as well too. She goes, I ran migraines, they went away, and I ran the brain balancing. My Tourette's disappeared, and I have a date Saturday night.

She's engaged to the guy now.

Ashley James (0:32:37.292)

My gosh. My gosh. I never thought of that. The brain balancing protocol for Tourette's. My gosh. That's so exciting.

Mark Fox (0:32:48.433)

I never thought about that. I didn't tell her to do that. Nobody even asked me about Tourette's before. What happens is, this happens every day. Again, you can keep count how many times I say this. I'm not a doctor. I'm not giving medical advice. I can't treat, diagnose, or cure anything. But I get bombarded with emails of will this help?

Right before this call, Ashley, I'm looking at 15 emails today from this same thing as, will this help with RSPF? What is it? I never heard of it. Then I have to Google it to figure out what it is. It takes about 20 seconds to find the underlying cause. About 80% of the time, it's going to be inflammation of whatever. So I just tell people, run general inflammation.

Is it going to be allergy related? A lady called me and goes, I get this itch on my arm. One week I'll have it, not have it. Then next week I'm bleeding. I can't stop myself from scratching myself to bleed. What is it? I go, what is it? She goes, the doctors don't know what it is. Said, well, run general inflammation and run allergy. It went away. So general inflammation is the go-to. 

Brain balancing, I renamed it. It used to be called a concussion protocol, but it is what all the clinical practitioners will use all the time to mix it in with any other protocol just to put icing on the cake, maybe fix some other stuff. So that's why I kind of renamed it because it was too focused on a concussion. So that one's kind of a catch-all. Then common sense things—if it's toxicity, run the liver protocol.

So we have two lists. There are 59 core protocols on the device. Then of those, five of them are brainwave entrainment protocols, which can be repurposed for 70 other things. So it really does 130 different things now. We got to be careful, very careful here because the FDA does not want this to exist.

They just don't, and they've been after me for six months trying to shut it down. So I've had to take a lot of the protocol lists off the website, which is a challenge because then my customers go, hey idiot, where's the protocols you had there? I'm, yes, that is a battle. I go, what about all the other general wellness PEMF devices? Well, we don't care about them. We're picking on you. Okay.

I won't go down that rabbit hole. That's what I get to wake up to every day as a fun thing to go think about. What do I do next? How do I stay out of jail and still help people? That part's sad. I don't want to go dark there. It made me think of it with the list as I'm having to pare things down of what I can market or say because they don't want you to mention any condition even though it helps with it. It's frustrating.

Ashley James (0:35:58.837)

That is so frustrating. We saw, especially in the last four years, how maniacal the FDA is and the FCC. In fact, I have interviewed a doctor that was successfully treating patients with COVID, and he had 500 patients survive. So he published on his blog, hey, for the world to know, this is what I'm seeing working in my clinic. Well, the FCC came after him and said, you have to take that down. He'slike, what do you mean? It's freedom of speech. They go, no, you have to take that down. Here's why. Because they needed to keep the emergency use authorization for the poison that they wanted people to inject in them.

The difficulty with that is, from the government standpoint, the government and the pharmaceutical industry were hand in hand. They're just two lovers, interwoven. If there was a proven treatment that worked, that's why the media was saying all of the treatments that we knew would work, that were well documented, why they were poo-pooing them, why the media was trying to manipulate everyone and brainwash everyone.

When we saw that these worked in other countries, they used these protocols, and these protocols worked. But if they lost the emergency use authorization, then they could not dole it out super fast. They wanted to do that. They wanted to control people. So we saw in the last four years that the FDA and the FCC were not after our health. Our health is not their number one priority.

I applaud you. I applaud people like you who are going against the grain. They're like, I have something I know helps people. Unfortunately, the FDA wants to come after creators like you. I'll, we'll talk a little bit after our interview because I have some contacts if you want, for lawyers who regularly fight and win against the FDA. So I can share that with you. Absolutely.

My mentor, Dr. Joel Wallach, has fought and won against the FDA, I believe, 13 times, and they stopped coming after him. But I know exactly what you're dealing with because I've worked with him for many years, and I know how difficult it can be when you're out helping people heal themselves. The FDA doesn't like that.

Mark Fox (0:38:37.674)

Your listeners, a lot of them probably do know that, but if they don't, I mean, 75% of the FDA's research budget is funded by the drug companies. It's like, how did that happen? We won't go down that rabbit hole, but I've done all that research. I know how it happened. Yes, it's the FDA, it's the FTC, it's the FCC. So, you know what a TLA is?

Three-letter acronym. Three-letter acronym. So there's probably 10 more of them out there. I only know about NSA, whatever. It's super frustrating because I get asked every day, do you have anything for long COVID? I do, but I'm afraid to answer it because I don't know if it's an FDA agent that's sending the email. So all I can do is say, here's my two lists, use your own common sense. Which one do you think might be a good match?

Then people get frustrated because, your customer service, come on, you can do better than that. My hands are kind of tied on how I can and can't say things.

Ashley James (0:39:37.811)

Well, my husband, he took this approach. He's like, I'm just going to try every single program. Every day I'm going to run three or four programs. You can run a good four programs before it runs out of battery. Some programs are half an hour, some are over an hour. Then he plugs it in, and then half an hour later he unplugs it and runs another few programs and he notes what he feels. Then he comes and tells me, and I definitely run at least two to three programs a day.

But he shares with me what he feels. So when he did the Earth 14 protocol, he broke out into a thick, detox, sticky sweat. It was sludge coming out of him. It was weird, he's sitting there going, whoa, feel my arm. I felt it. It's the sticky, sludgy, detoxy crap that's coming out of it. Normally it doesn't just happen when you're just sitting in a room. Usually that's what happens when he's in the sauna.

How neat is that? We just noted it. He told me he feels overall that he's more comfortable. He feels he's like gone through some emotional healing. We gave it to, and this is just by going through all the protocols. You said any protocol is going to have some positive effect, which I want to, I want to get into talking about the science and why that is. But I want to get through this list first so that you just know my experience.

I have a friend with really bad cramps, a lot of pain. She was day one of her period, just a lot of pain. She came over and I gave her the PMS protocol. Within minutes she's, my gosh, my gosh, my cramps are gone. It was just so cool. The rest of the day, no cramps, total, total great experience for her. I thought that was really cool. Just how night and day that was.

The general inflammation protocol I figured out was the one to go to if you don't know what to do. So I love that you said that. Within my first few days of doing The Vibe, I did the general inflammation protocol and I noticed that this is actually my first time. I have it written down. This is my first time doing it. I tasted heavy metals in my mouth. So I'm detoxing. This is interesting. The next day I woke up and I weighed myself and I'd lost three pounds and I know that that's not three pounds of fat. Get it. It's inflammation, but it was notable. I don't just normally just drop three pounds in 24 hours. It was, and I ate the same, I drank the same, exercised the same. So it was, wow, that was really interesting. Then also my ring is loose. Ever since using it the last three months, my rings are loose. So I'm just noticing, wow, that is less inflammation.

My husband has trigger point pain ever since he had this botched dental procedure and we're working on it. We're intensely working on it with multiple practitioners, but it comes and goes and he uses the neck pain protocol, but he also noticed that the carpal tunnel protocol has completely turned off his trigger point headaches. So I thought that was interesting. Because it's, well, it's entrapped nerves. That's what his pain is, entrapped nerves. He's like, are you proud of me? I figured that one out on my own.

Mark Fox (0:42:52.147)

It was like my dental assistant. She had a really bad carpal tunnel. Dental assistants are picking at your teeth all day. So I go every six months. So I went back in six months later, go, how's the device working for you? She goes, well, it completely went away, so I don't use it anymore. I go, you couldn't send me a little 30-second test video? You promised to send me a video, and she goes, yes, I forgot, I don't use it anymore.

Here's a weird thing too. Most customers are either in mental pain, physical pain, or both long term. When they feel better, a lot of them don't say, I feel way better. A lot of them say some of this phrase: something's not right. It's weird because the brain's trying to process, I've had this pain or whatever wrong, and now it's not there, but that's not me anymore. That it's getting into a psychology part of it a little bit.

Part of me is gone, and they don't really realize they're feeling better. Some people don't until later on. I always thought that was just a weird phrase, something's not right. I go, something's, it doesn't feel good to you. Now they said that. So we're going to get into warnings and contraindications and all that. Why it's at the top of my head. If you're in severe pain, the first time you use it, don't be driving a car or operating a catapult.

It can make you feel drunk and stoned. This has been measured. This has been measured in the bloodstream. It can give you an insane release of instant endorphins because your pain disappears and all of your body's going, yes, party. Okay. So I had a young woman that was in a car wreck here in my house, and she tried it for the first time. She started backpedaling and sat down in the chair.

I go, you okay? She goes, no, I'm seeing double vision. So was, take it off for a minute. Then we went in a little bit slower. Then she made that comment that something's not right. Then, is your pain gone? Well, no, no. So we ran the session stuff, and she goes, yes, I feel way better. I said, so just kind of take it easy. That's the one precaution. The other one, of course, is if you have electronics on you, pacemakers, insulin pumps, and stuff, the industry is going to tell you, and Mark is going to tell you, don't use it. If you're pregnant, don't use it. 

Now, there's no known cases of anything bad happening there, but that's what the whole community's saying for now, so that's the official answer we give to everyone. The other one is if it makes you feel sick, and I'm talking less than 1% of the people, it usually means you have an infection.

Most people go, your device sucks, it made me sick. Or in the clinical environment, all the doctors talk about these stories. They get up and take the machine off, and they run out and they go, I hate your machine, bye. The doctors yell.

You got an impacted tooth or an infected toe or something. It's probably an infection. Half a third of the people will go to another doctor and get a blood test. The rest of them just go, your machine sucks. They blame it on the machine. But if that ever happens, you may have some kind of infection. The theory is the general inflammation. Your body's holding all that bad, nasty, toxic stuff in a location. The general inflammation is releasing it. Because it's releasing the general inflammation.

Ashley, if I could, and again, I'm just rolling on some thoughts as they come, because if I can break the code on this recipe, because I only knew what Lyme disease was a year ago. I have so many people contact me about Lyme disease that it's the most awful thing in the world. Listen to these descriptions. I'd rather have anything but that. It's awful.

So I did a bunch of research on that, and found another study that was done. One to four hertz will kill it. Okay. The bacteria. So that's down in the Delta range. So we're running a study now, but everyone, everyone in the study stopped using the device because it made them sick. So my theory is it's killing the bacteria, and I've now learned that little sneaky Lyme disease, when it dies, it spits poison. It's its defense mechanism. So we're trying to come up with the right combination to kill it, then run liver detox or kill it at a lower power level. So it's not so energetic. 

Then, but I'm working on that. If we find the right recipe for that, that might be the home run because I'm going to cry as I sit there trying to describe it. I mean, the amount of people who have had Lyme for 12 years, and their doctors can't help them. They can't give them anything. It's awful. That's one of the fun parts. 

So the good news, bad news is the study so far worked, and it didn't work. It looks like it killed it, and we didn't measure that in the blood or anything, I'm not sure, I don't know how to, but that was kind of weird that every one of them got sick. It was like, okay, turn the power level back, then try alternating with liver. We're still doing that. That study is still going on. So we're not there yet, but so there's things that are super exciting. 

A guy contacted me, and he's in the whole medical world and stuff. He's a sales rep guy, knows a bunch of doctors, and he's like, let's find something where there is no solution at all. So I think I have never even heard it in my life. It's I-C-B-P-S (Interstitial Cystitis/Bladder Pain Syndrome), I think. It's your stomach hurts like crazy, and they don't know what to do for you.

So we got on a Zoom call with a doctor, and he's like a typical doctor. Hey, I need a double-blind study. You need this, and he doesn't find it. I get all that. I'd love to do that a million times. Mark doesn't have that. Mark already spent all his retirement. I don't have money to do that. So it's, like he said, it was a three, two-hour call that I got beat up about all the things I need to go do for. So we hung up. My friend calls me back, goes, Mark, be patient because he is the leading doctor probably in the world for that element. If we find anything that works, you won't be able to make them fast enough because everyone will do whatever he says. An hour later, he called for another Zoom call, and he goes, you know what? Forget everything I just said because we got no choice. We have nothing to send them home with but OxyContin or painkillers. So we don't want to do that. Give me a couple dozen of them, let's go try it. That's where we're at right now. 

Now, your doctors that are listening, okay, and I'm going to pick on doctors. You guys need to quit being so awful when it comes to research because you don't finish it. I have sleep studies, blood sugar studies, I have all kinds of studies. I have four different studies that have been going on for two years that should have taken 60 to 90 days, and I still don't have the data, even though they tell me they're getting good results. Give me the information so I can share it with people.

That's why I'm getting the next study that we're going to do. I don't know if you want me to lead into this. It's going to be on blood sugar. I got lots of anecdotal data from people with their fasting blood sugar coming down. The A1C is coming down. Not 100% of people, but if I had to guess a number right now, it's 80% or higher. So I want to do a third-party clinical trial. Think I have the right doctor now because he actually finished the one I gave him. That one will be super exciting. You'll never hear me say the word diabetes ever except bleep it out because I'm just going to say blood sugar.

Then the other one is that I've stayed away, because I'm not a doctor, and most of the protocols in The Vibe are from 8,000 practitioners in 35 years playing with recipes. Think of the frequency pairs as chords in a song, and the protocols are songs. So I've stuck with the ones that have been most proven, but the vagus nerve stimulation is doing so much good stuff, and I call them competitors, but most of the people in the PEMF world, most of them, not all of them, the mindset of me, it's just the same as me. It's like rising water lifts all ships. They're not really competitors. We share information, we talk, we help each other, so they're, hey like Mark, what do you think would be the biggest thing for vagus nerve? Go, just from what I know, it'd be brainwave beta, 16 hertz. So Omni PEMF, you can go look at their research, they just did, I think, probably the largest vagus nerve PEMF vagus nerve study in the world, 450 people, and it was 16 hertz and 32 hertz, but mostly 16. So I'm afraid to even say this because when I do, people go, I'll just wait and buy one of those but I'm designing right now a necklace pendant that's going to run a unique vagus nerve protocol.

The reason it's a pendant, and it looks kind of cool jewelry, but it's in a human. The vagus nerve comes from the brain, goes down both sides and necks. There's a large cluster of the vagus nerve at the sternum under the chest. So that was my rationale as to now I had a watch that I was going to build too. As soon as I tell people that, they're, wow, I'll wait till the watch comes out. Well, it may not come out because of the whole FDA thing. Who knows?

As of this moment, to my knowledge, the FDA doesn't control vagus nerve. It's not a condition. For people that are listening that don't know what it does, it's heart rate variability, lower blood pressure, lower pulse, better sleep, your whole mental system. Does all this magic. So there's some fun things that are coming soon, hopefully. If I can get any more money out of my life.

Ashley James (0:53:18.011)

I have over 200 clients now using phototherapy patches. I have two interviews, one with the creator of them and one with the practitioner that introduced me to them. I have my clients put the patches right below each ear on their vagus nerve. With that protocol, I use three patches. With that, I had one client who was agoraphobic, who hadn't made a new friend in 15 years, didn't want to leave their house, couldn't sleep at night, anxiety all day, and was also drinking alcohol to calm them down. Within one month of wearing the phototherapy patches on their vagal nerve, they went from that to leaving the house every day, joining exercise classes, making new friends for the first time in 15 years, and going to social events. They chose to stop drinking. I mean, it was pretty wild. I've repeated this with other clients. That was my sort of most severe example, but I've had with other clients where they feel calmer, happier, especially it's really good. 

Any vagal work is really good for A type personality. If you're an A type personality because you'll run yourself ragged. You're competitive, you're driven, you're definitely not putting your sleep and your self-care first. But a lot of times you kind of disconnect from your body. So you don't pay attention. Your head is not paying attention to what's below your neck. Until you're passing out.

So that, or anyone with addiction, and it can be small addictions to just food cravings or feeling they can't really control themselves. They just go into the kitchen at night, and they can't. Once the sun is set, they feel like they can't control themselves with their food intake. That tends to significantly decrease, but people who are actively choosing to overcome addictions, I've seen it really help. Then, of course, sleep, anxiety, feeling any kind of stressed out or any kind of trauma, I've seen wonderful results. 

So I'm excited for your device, which the pendant sounds like it would just be for the vagus nerve, which don't wait till one day maybe a watch comes out, get The Vibe now. I can't believe it's only been three months that my family and I have been using this machine because we can't see a world where we're not using this machine, just the phototherapy patches, which I'm in love with. We use them for many different things because we integrate them with traditional Chinese medicine acupuncture protocols. But The Vibe has been such a huge game changer. I have a few more points I wanted to share. We have a friend's child who had a tummy pain. He couldn't play. We were at a playdate. He couldn't play. He had massive tummy pain. We put on the general inflammation on him.

Then within minutes, his pain was gone, which was super cool. I know kids are weird, and that could happen anyway, but he was kind of down for the count. He was not playing today. I'm in pain. Within minutes, he was out of pain, which was really exciting. We went to visit our friend's cabin in the woods, in the middle of nowhere, hours away from civilization. A bunch of her family came over.

There were two people with headaches. Now we were high up, high altitude, very low humidity. It's hot. I'm sure everyone's dehydrated, and two people had headaches. There's a handful of people that had back pain. So we went around and gave them The Vibe, and immediately, immediately, of course, we're handing them water. Drink this. Because that's another thing. The Vibe doesn't work as well if you're dehydrated because, as you said, it is using your own body and the water in your body to send the frequency throughout your whole body. But we turned off two headaches within minutes and chronic back pain for several of the people. One of them had surgery on their back and just chronic back pain turned off within minutes. So I love sharing this with friends. I did have a friend, she has MS, and at the moment I gave her the general inflammation when she was standing in the kitchen cooking, and she said, I have to take this off. I feel super out of it, super dizzy.

I'm like, wow, I've actually never seen a negative experience. So I thought, that's really interesting. But then the second time I had her wear it, she got twice as much work done. We hang out, and she does stuff in the kitchen, and she's unpacking because she just moved. She's like, this feels great. So it's just interesting that when people feel a bit out of it, you should take it seriously and lie down or sit down, rest when you're using the machine, especially for the first few times because you might feel a bit out of it. But there's all my stories I wanted to make sure that I shared with you guys because there are so many applications, and when you get one and start using it, then you can't help but want to share it with those around you.

Mark Fox (0:58:33.207)

No, that's awesome. One thing to your friend. Last summer, it was odd. You said at the very beginning to call something about serendipity and stuff. Within 10 days, three different doctors, MDs, called me and said, your device is kicking butt for MS. I don't have an MS protocol. What are you using? Fibromyalgia? All three said yes.

Use that logic of looking at the two lists, even though there isn't one that's exact. Use some common sense and say, is it nerve-related? Can I do this? That might work. So just, you can try things.

Here's another great one. It makes me sad when a pet owner sends it back without talking to me. Dogs, cats, and horses will tell you when you're running the right protocol, and they will tell you when you run the wrong one.

They will come over and lay on it. A dog will lay on it. A cat—this is a picture I got last week—had severe allergies, came over, and put her nose on the coils. So pets, animals, first of all, animals are smarter than us. As long as you're not hiding water from them or keeping it away from them, they'll hydrate exactly how much they need to be hydrated.

If you put it on a dog and they don't like it, that's not what's wrong with them. You're running the wrong protocol. Try something else. It'll stop.

Okay, so there's that too. But anyway, yes, I would definitely have her try the fibromyalgia.

We didn't go into much about what PEMF is, and I want to back up. We should've done this a long time ago.

Start at the beginning. Magnetic therapy has been documented since 350 BC. It is not new. Pulsed electromagnetic fields, about a hundred years ago—110 years ago—were found to be much, much, much more therapeutic. So that's how it got into the mainstream-ish. Not in the mainstream. It's not there yet.

NASA started using it in the 1970s.

One doctor, I love this quote, said to me—because I'm talking about all the Facebook haters, and I get slaughtered every day—”Scam artist, scumbag, Hitler,” all kinds of stuff constantly. I get death threats.

PEMF is not on trial here, Mark. If it is, that person is uninformed or misinformed.

People ask me, why don't you call on Shark Tank? One of them is because Mark Cuban hates this space, and he thinks everything's a scam. I just watched again last night where he brutally attacked a guy because he wasn't looking at the information. He doesn’t care.

There are 35,000 papers written on PEMF. If you go to PubMed right now and type in PEMF, you'll find about 6,000. There are tons and tons and tons of studies out there.

So it's not magic and new, and you're engulfed in it. You already said, Earth 14.1, so 7.83 hertz, 14.1, and 20.3. It's the Earth's heartbeat.

You can see it on an app on your phone. It's at about 0.4 gauss. So you're engulfed in it. If PEMF at low levels was harmful, we'd all be dead, and so would every living thing because the Earth puts it out.

Having said all that, I will explain it this way. This is my opinion.

It's energy transfer. Forget PEMF for a minute because it could be transfer with electrical current, magnetic field, light, sound, and vibration—any of those. So if you think about it this way, nothing in the world happens without an energy exchange.

You don't cook food, you don't breathe air, you don't oxygenate your blood, you don't fall down and hurt your knee. So it's always an energy exchange. So if you look at it just that way, putting energy into the body, there's two sides to this.

When I argue with doctors and they go, prove the mechanism of action, I tell them, dude, you don't know how aspirin works. You don't.

If you think you know how aspirin works, I'll win that argument. I'll fight you to the death with a sword because you do not know how it works. You might have a theory, but you have not proven it. Plus, nobody knows how a slice of pizza is heated in a microwave oven either, but I won't go down that rabbit hole.

Okay, so you don't understand it completely, but relief happens for a reason. My number one goal starting this was to make sure you don't hurt anybody. So I've studied that to death, okay?

Number two is I don't want to sell voodoo. That's why I'm trying to do all these studies.

The Vibe actually—here's the secret. It's an MP3 player without a speaker. So all the protocols are MP3s. I use a music synthesizer to make the protocols. Yes, they're all songs. It has a coil in there instead of a speaker. So it's driving the sound through the speaker, but there's no speaker. It puts out a magnetic field, okay?

I went full circle three times after catching it on fire with engineers to figure out—that's really the smart way to do it.

MIT has a study showing that flickering light at 40 Hertz is reversing Alzheimer's or at least the plaque in the brain.

I told them, I go, dude, it's not just 40 Hertz. That's part of it. You need 40, you need 116. I gave them the whole Alzheimer's protocol, and they said no.

So he goes, “What frequencies do you use?”

I go, “One to a thousand Hertz.”

He goes, “Well, you can't see anything over 60 Hertz.”

I'm like, “Right, but you didn't tape the rat's eyes open, and the energy still got inside of them.”

He's like, “Yes, we don't know how that happened.”

I was telling that story to a good friend of mine, Dr. Lori Barge. She's one of the top pediatric radiologists in the country.

She goes, “Yes, Mark. In 2001, we discovered that your skin has cones just like your eye that can absorb light.”

So I went.

Back to the MIT guy, and I got to school with a PhD and a double professor at MIT.

Dude, he goes, that isn't true. So I sent him all the documentation. Yes, it does.

So it can be light. It can be sound. It can be a vibration. I got my feet on an earthy mat right now that I want to make a device someday that's running it through my feet.

Here's my end dream. If anyone that works at Philips, the light bulb company, will call me, we'll do it.

So picture what I just told you—an MP3 player with a coil. Most phones and every new phone has a chi coil in it to charge it. I want to be able to write an app to turn your phone into the device. Instead of charging your phone, shove the signal the other way.

But right now, I don't have that yet.

Then the lights. So Philips was going to say, the smart bulbs that you have would have this already if, and here's the dream, Ashley—to go run dementia in the living room.

It's going to run through the—excuse me, you're to talk to Alexa.

Okay. “Hey, Alexa, run dementia in the living room,” and it's going to run through the lights, and nobody even knows they're getting the therapy.

The reason I don't have that today or last year is because when you turn a light switch on, the light switch doesn't come on. It waits about 100 milliseconds and has a ramp so that it doesn't shock your eyes. But I need to be able to turn it on and off a thousand times a second.

If somebody at Philips tells me how to get around that stupid bridge in software to flicker the light, I could take whatever it is—$50 billion worth of smart bulbs in the world—and turn them into therapeutic devices immediately.

That'd be a dream.

Ashley James (1:06:13.751)

So interesting that that is a dream. Immediately, my thought goes to, well, are there frequencies that are harmful? Are there known frequencies that are harmful? Could they be using the smart bulbs and using the cell phones to hurt us?

Just like, you could turn it into a healing device. Could you turn it into a hurt or hurting device?

Mark Fox (1:06:32.085)

Of course, and it's every day we get this discussion. The amount of people that are so scared about EMF. Well, It's PEMF. Yes, it's electromagnetic fields, but they're in the light spectrum. It's light. Now, the analogy that I use is when you go to the dentist and they put a lead curtain on you. Do an X-ray that's 10 to the 12th, the 13th power frequency.

Billions and billions and billions and billions of Hertz. Your cell phone is a million Hertz. Your TV is 100,000 Hertz. The Vibe device is between one and a thousand Hertz. So it's actually zero on a logarithmic scale. You can't even read it. That's where the vast, vast majority of PEMF devices are. They're at that very low end. So I get asked every day from a customer, how much EMF does your device put out? It is EMF. It's the light spectrum.

It's just very, very low frequency. So the analogy I use is to think of a surfer waiting for a wave. How many waves combine a second? That's frequency. How tall is a wave? That's energy level or amplitude. You multiply those two together. So if a one-foot wave comes every hour, there's not a lot of energy. If you have 20 tsunamis per second, that's a lot of energy. Cell phones and wifi routers and stuff put all that out.

So all your listeners that have EMF blockers, I get calls every day, what is it going to work with my EMF blocker, my voodoo doll, my incense, and I don't know, my amorous crystal. I haven't tested all that, but I don't believe in EMF blockers unless it's something around your cell phone because it's light and it's bouncing around the room. It's hard to capture that, but they're going to get into scalar frequencies and all kinds of stuff that I don't know enough about to know if they're real.

Anyway, so yes, it puts out EMF. It's in the magnetic field range. But again, go back to earth. You're living in it right now. You're in earth's heartbeat.

There's say a half a gauss and The Vibe is going to be nine gauss max. An MRI, just to put in perspective, is 40,000 gauss, and all the fear of people dying in MRIs. To my knowledge, nobody's ever died from an MRI except one person. It's because a metal tank, I think it was an oxygen tank, flew across the room and hit her because it wasn't tied down.

So that whole thing I said earlier about, you use it with a pacemaker? The official answer from Mark is no, no, no, no. However, doctors finally figured out, well, you got a pacemaker and you're going to die if we don't look inside of you with an MRI. Let's take a chance for a decade.

For a decade, they had technicians stand there. To my knowledge, no pacemaker stopped working even at 50,000 gauss. Now I told people that they're going to use it, but nope. The official word is don't. I don't want to end on that negative stuff.

Ashley James (1:09:26.546)

No, of course not. No, we've got a lot more to cover here. Now you say PEMF, you're not saying P-E-M-F. Is that the same? Are these two things interchangeable, or are they different?

Mark Fox (1:09:42.220)

I am saying P-E-M-F, I'm just saying it too fast because I talk quickly.

Ashley James (1:09:45.627)

Okay, just checking. So PEMF, something I was introduced to a few years ago, went into this naturopathic office, lying down on a big mat. They put another big mat on me and they turn it up super high, and it almost hurts. They're telling me if it hurts, they'll turn it down one notch. It goes zap, zap, zap. My muscles jump, and they're saying the bigger, the better. We got to really crank this up.

I honestly did not feel wonderful. I didn't feel worse. I kind of was just maybe a little bit exhausted because my muscles were jumping for an hour. But I didn't notice anything great. I'm like, wow, people swear by this stuff, and I didn't really love my experience. I went about five or six times just to see if maybe I'd feel something different. Didn't love it. This was a whole clinic, and that's all they do. 

Then I have a friend who bought one. She spent $40,000, and she swears by it. She said it was life-changing for her. A giant mat she has to sit on. I have another friend who got a $10,000 one, and she says it has been helpful, not life-changing. I have a third friend who bought a used one. She likes it gives her more energy.

Then I saw your device, and I'm thinking, yes, yes, please. This little tiny thing, the size of an MP3 player, that doesn't zap me, but I'm getting, as I shared earlier, tremendous results from this. I didn't ever really feel I got anything from the big expensive, $50,000-plus clinical PEMF machines.

I also have been on a Beamer about 10 times. My friend has a Beamer, and I felt some good stuff from that. But I've heard you talk about how these giant mats that are thousands of dollars are sort of outdated. It's kind of older technology, and the whole PEMF world didn't really evolve. I'd love to talk about that in contrast to your pocket device. It's almost like homeopathy. It's so gentle, and yet I'm getting way better results with it.

Mark Fox (1:11:57.623)

So I get asked this quite often. How is it compared to a Beamer mat? Okay, you ready? And they go, huh? No, you ready? Yes, okay. Well, it's 25 times less expensive. It's one piece instead of eight pieces. It fits in your pocket. You can take it on an airplane, drive with it. It's super lightweight, and it's 152 times smaller. Just go through that whole pitch. 

Now, Beamer mat was still great. What you were saying earlier about muscle contractions, and there's a medical word that I can't even remember right now, that you don't need to do that to get the therapy.

It's the example I use because most people are going to be familiar with the TENS unit, which is electrical current, not a magnetic field. You can't do apples and oranges on an energy level. But for all the scientists out there, they're going to beat me up. This is close to the truth. A TENS unit is about a thousand times more energy than The Vibe. So it's very, very, very low energy.

If you go to PubMed and look at the majority of studies, they're going to be at very low levels, very low frequencies, and very low energy. In the horse world, this is the bet gamble war I have going on right now with the horse people because they are the ones who are going to know what PEMF is more than anyone because they all know what a MagnaWave is. So MagnaWave is a big gigantic hoop that makes a horse's muscle flex.

My theory is it's too much. You don't need that. So far, all the ones we've sold to horse owners, I think I've had one return, seriously. So it's working. I've made the argument, as you guys know, you own horses, they're more energy-sensitive than humans. Bigger is not better.

Not going to mention his name because he'll get mad at me, the one of the two guys that's selling the big machines was on a Zoom call conference with me, and he's going on, bigger is better, bigger, and the logic he's using from a physics point of view makes sense. 

The magnetic field itself doesn't travel that far. So how are you going to go through a whole knee? Well, you got to have a ton of energy. Yes, unless it's resonating, like I said, with the water in the body, magnetite, and electrical conductivity.

So I got him on a Zoom call, Ashley, and I go, there's a study in this book right here that says pico-level gauss. Ten to the minus ninth power. Try to imagine how small, a couple of billion billion times less energy than The Vibe, and was still in the double-blind study, therapeutic.

I go, you know what the guy's name is, and I hold up the book, and it's him because he wrote it.

He hasn't talked to me again since then. I guess I'm not getting a Christmas card from him. Because I got tired of him saying bigger is better, bigger is better. You published this. Bigger isn't necessarily better. So it's working.

There's actually some studies that show if it's too much energy, we're going to go into a deep dive, and people are going to call me on it. I don't know what I'm talking about because I can't prove it, and I can't. But there's some data that shows this.

The energy is probably—let me backup a little bit. Everything happening in your cells, most of its happening at the membrane, at the surface. It's letting bad stuff out and good stuff coming in. So all the action is going on, most of the action is going on at the cell membrane. If you have too much energy, the energy goes straight through the cell. What you want it to do is kind of bounce around through the interstitial fluid and stuff between the cells, and it's, quote, massaging potentially the cell membrane.

Lower may be better just for that reason, so that is doing that. Now, when people say, how does it really work? This is the theory. It is known that your cells have an electrical charge, a car battery. When it gets low, you get sick. Every one of your listeners knows that, I'm sure. So it recharges your cells' batteries, and that's been proven.

ATP is adenosine triphosphate. It's the number one fuel that your cells use for food. I simplified that because there are a couple of steps in there, but it increases ATP up to 500%. So the simple answer is, recharge your cells batteries, and it gives your cells more food so your body can do what it does best, heal itself.

Now, when you get into arguments about prove it, prove it, prove it, this mechanism of action stuff that every doctor beats me up on, that's where we're at. That's what the theory is. It's a lot of that's hard to prove, but go back to relief before reason. I don't care.

You know what? Actually, I get, of course, this argument. That's all placebo. You idiot. I'm, hmm, probably not all of it, but there's some there.

But what? This is true. I'm not making this up. When somebody has a gun in their mouth, they want to commit suicide, now they don't. I could care less if it's 100% placebo. I've got multiple cases of that.

Ashley James (1:16:59.497)

It is increasing the quality of life. I don't know. I've never experienced a placebo. To be honest, I have maybe a nocebo effect. You can believe something won't work so much that you can negate its effects. But I put this device on plenty of people who had no idea what I was doing. I was like, here, try this. You have this. Try this. I just put this on them, not explaining it.

Then they like, my headache is gone, my back pain is gone, my PMS is gone. Little kids going, my tummy doesn't hurt anymore. My son is going, I immediately feel I can sleep. I put it on him without really the first time three months ago, without really explaining, here, let's just put this on you. We're going to bed. It's, boom, falls asleep within minutes as opposed to almost an hour trying to wind down. 

Mark Fox (1:17:50.766)

The nocebo thing, just to comment, and I'm going to offend every one of your listeners that has an AOL email address. If you send me 15 emails, skeptical as hell, before you ever buy one, and you have an AOL address, just don't buy it, because you're going to try it once, get mad, and send it back, because you've already made up your mind it can't work.

Ashley James (1:18:09.758)

Interesting that you saw that there's a correlation between those who still have an AOL address and their rigidity. I have a Yahoo address. Well, I'm also very skeptical of a lot of things, but there's something about this. God nudged me and said, just really keep an open mind, give this a try. I've been so grateful because it was an answer to my prayers.

I feel I still haven't used it to its full potential. My husband has really gone through and played with every single, and now you're bringing up more programs, more ideas for programs. I'm getting excited as to other things I could use it for. That idea that it increases cellular energy production, that it's, what it's doing is it's supporting the body's ability to come back into balance, supporting the body's ability to heal itself. The body is so intelligent. We have to just acknowledge.

We have this God-given ability to heal ourselves, that we grew from a single cell into 37.2 trillion cells that work in harmony together. Even though we drink Diet Coke and eat just absolute fried garbage as a society, we're eating mostly processed food. If you look around, the average person hardly gets a whole food, a whole just single-ingredient healthy food, that they're mostly eating just from packages and from factories and not straight from the farm. This is so sad that we're poisoning ourselves. Plus, our food, air, water, and soil have been poisoned with over 80,000 man-made chemicals that have been created in the last 40 years. We're just starting to now find out how bad plastic is. Plastic touches our food every day. No matter how healthy you try to be,

Plastic is everywhere, and these obesogens, these endocrine-disrupting chemicals. That's just one thing. Then we've got off-gassing. Everything off-gases. Everything's trying to kill you. Paint is off-gassing, and your mattress is off-gassing, and your carpet and your furniture off-gases for 25 years. The quality of your air inside your home is 10 times worse than downtown, whatever city you live in. It's really crazy how our body is constantly trying to come back into balance, and we are just challenging it so heavily. 

Unfortunately, the large majority of us have been brainwashed to believe that the medical doctor, the MD, is the only doctor to see and that allopathic drug-based medicine is the only medicine worth its weight in salt. So you wait to get sick and then go to the MD, and the MD, they're great at some emergency medicine. They really shine with emergency medicine. They completely suck at chronic disease. They fail us every single time because the body doesn't have a drug deficiency. The body is out of balance because honestly, our humanity's stupidity, really. I take responsibility for that too. I've done stupid things to my body in the past, and I'm waking up for it now. We're all waking up to realize that what we need to do is support the body's ability to heal itself. What I love about The Vibe is that it's doing that. I had a doctor on the show a few years ago, amazing man. He was dying in the hospital. He's a doctor himself, dying in the hospital. They said, go home and make sure you put your affairs in order. You're going to be dead in five days. He went home, and he's like, wait, I don't want to die. I'm not going to just give up. So he thought to himself, well, how does the liver work? How do cells work? He had this great analogy that every cell is a house.

A house needs to have groceries come in and garbage come out. He realized that inflammation is kind of a flood. Unfortunately, we have thoughts in our mind of recent floods in our nation and in other countries, and we can see people standing on the roofs. Well, garbage isn't getting out, and in fact, it's just flooding in, and the groceries aren't getting in. Inflammation is a flood around the cells that are not letting these cellular processes happen optimally.

If we could just take everyone and get their houses inside their body, the 37.2 trillion houses inside their body, get them so that the groceries can come in and the garbage can come out in a healthy way, and intake healthy groceries, stop eating crap, hydrate, and do what you can to get out of stress mode. That stress mode stops healing processes because it diverts all energy to immediate running away from the bear, immediate survival. We end up actually epigenetically changing how the body functions for survival.

But if you're in 24-hour survival mode, this is why The Vibe is so great. If we could just get people out of that, they're stuck in that survival mode. They're stuck in stress mode. If we can use The Vibe, get them out of that and increase ATP, decrease inflammation, now your cells have a chance to be healthy. That doctor ended up healing himself, surviving. I think he lived into his 80s and wrote many books on healing. That simple analogy just helps so many people go, my job is to get the groceries in, and healthy groceries in the cell. Every bite that you put in your mouth, go, are these the groceries I want to give all my cells? Is that Big Mac really going to build a healthy body? But we've disconnected our brain from the responsibility of what goes in our mouth because we're looking for fun. 

That is a large part due to the tobacco industry. Not to go down a huge rabbit hole, but when they saw their profits declining, they went into the food industry. That's one of the large reasons why food became so highly addictive and highly processed. You're just eating cigarettes. Basically, you're eating garbage that is highly addictive.

So if we can get back to whole food, a whole food diet where it's single-ingredient foods that you can recognize on your plate, that's the food your body wants. Then do things like The Vibe so we can decrease that inflammation, get the garbage out of the cells, help the cells create more cellular energy. I'm so excited for this technology, and it's just in its infancy. What you're doing, it's so exciting. I love the prospect of turning cell phones and light bulbs, just daily devices into healing, bringing that healing frequency in. 

I've read a book, have you heard of the book The Cancer Cure That Worked? This was 16 years ago I read this book, maybe a little bit longer than that. It was such a small book, you can sit down and read it in one sitting. It's about Royal Rife, the Rife machine, the creation of the Rife machine.

So I looked deeper into the Rife system and this is over a hundred years ago, or right around a hundred years ago. He was working with frequencies and often it was cancer, but he got some amazing results. If anyone knows anything about the Rife machine and the history of it, the government raided his lab and destroyed everything. That's really sad because he apparently had some great success with illnesses like cancer. Of course, we want to talk about that. I know you're not treating, curing, diagnosing anything. We're supporting the body's ability to heal itself. We're supporting the structure and function of the body. This looks like it really helps with immune function. You're probably going to say, don't treat cancer, but I think I should let you say that.

Mark Fox (1:26:14.359)

We don't treat cancer. Let's say that crystal clear. Because we get asked every day, can it help with cancer? When they say can it help, the answer is yes. The side effects of depression, insomnia, anxiety, are in remission. Is it coming back? Then of course, everyone in your family members, your friends, and stuff have the same side issue.

It can help with that, but it can't kill the cancer cell directly. You need more energy, a lot higher energy. So things like a Rife machine, probably two to three times a day I get asked, I'd say it's a Rife machine and Spooky 2 is the most affordable one that's out there. I don't have any affiliation with them, but I send people there all the time. It uses lower frequencies too, but to kill an actual cancer cell, as best we understand, it's got to resonate higher. So you got to have a higher frequency.

Ashley James (1:27:05.404)

Right. Directly for cancer cells. What I loved about Rife, it's everything is the frequency. Everything is energy. We often think we're solid. We're not. I loved getting into the understanding of quantum physics. Even just understanding physics and understanding chemistry that we are these vibrating molecules and that particles act as both a wave. So that frequency, a particle is frequency, but at the same time, it acts as it can shift and act as a physical particle. It changes based on observation, which is just mind-blowing, that concept that our reality comes together based on observation, but it is a potential energy until observed and then becomes this physical matter.

If you imagine a wave just going up and down, that sine wave. That concept that the opposite, the cosine, that opposite would nullify it. That's how noise-canceling headphones work. But if we took that, and this is Royal Rife's, I mean, this is my very rudimentary understanding about his technology. I wish him and Nikola Tesla got together. Can you imagine what would have happened if the two of them had gotten together? They would have probably created The Vibe back then.

So we've got these two waves that cancel each other out, that's noise-canceling headphones, but then take the actual wave, the frequency of that, for example, cancer cell. Then the Rife machine was, let's figure out what that wave is and then do the exact opposite to cancel it out. He'd have cancer cells explode. He did that with, my understanding is, he did that with bacteria as well.

Super interesting that frequencies, that different frequencies, that different oscillations, different hertz have these really positive effects. The fact that your Vibe is so low frequency, it has, for me, I observe it a lot like homeopathy. I've had tremendous healing experiences with homeopathy when you have the right homeopathic, because homeopathy is not molecular medicine. You talked about aspirin, that's molecular medicine. Although everything has frequency, so we can't rule that out. But homeopathy is purely, there's no molecule of the medicine. It's purely energetic. It's frequency medicine. With homeopathy though, if you use the wrong one, you don't really get any effects. A lot of people poo-poo homeopathy because they didn't use the right frequency, whereas with The Vibe, you talk about no matter which frequency you're using, you're getting a positive benefit and that's probably because of the ATP increase. Can you talk a little bit about that, about why even if you got the program wrong, they could still have a positive effect?

Mark Fox (1:30:10.758)

Yes, I think it's just in a couple of people in the PEMF world, specifically when I was mentioning earlier, he'll make an argument that the frequency doesn't even matter, but nobody agrees with him. He might be partially right that as long as energy is getting there, it's doing something. But I want to go back to what you're talking about because what I call it is RFT, Resonance Frequency Therapy.

Everything has a natural frequency, and everyone that's old enough will remember Memorex. Is it live or Memorex? Hit the resonant frequency of the glass, and it shatters.

Why, when you hit your garage door opener, does it open your garage and not the neighbor's or your car key or a million other things? Why, when you turn the radio to 102.3 FM, do you not hear 103.4? It's because your antenna is resonating with the other antenna. Everything has a natural frequency.

I mentioned microwaves and pizza earlier. The theory on how a microwave works is the rotational energy, the natural resonant frequency of water. I forget the exact frequency, but what it's doing is the water molecule is spinning on its own axis. So it causes friction to heat up the pizza. Now everyone's got a microwave oven and heated pizza, but nobody has ever videotaped or taken a photo of a spinning water molecule. So it's still just a theory, not a proof.

Yes, there's a lot of that, and spooky distance and all those things are just some crazy physics like you said, as waves and particles at the same time.

My understanding of what the Rife machine was doing is getting the right frequency, and the ones I know are millions of Hertz so that it shatters the shell. You can think about it. We have that with ultrasound now. We're breaking up kidney stones and stuff. It's the same thing. You're breaking up kidney stones with a frequency and an energy.

This is going on a little bit of a tangent, but here's kind of the reaction I have a lot of times when we get into the “it's magic” type thing. So DNA sequencing, antibiotics, anesthesia. I can go down the list of the 100 biggest scams in the world that were impossible until they're not, because now they're all common stuff we use. But if you actually understood the magic behind it, this PEMF device and The Vibe are a million times more simple.

I use the MRI as an example. There are millions of them done every year. It's magnetic resonance imaging. The Vibe is magnetic resonance therapy. I'm going to give your listeners just a short version. They can Google themselves how an MRI machine works. This is the most magic ever.

So the protons in your body all have a North pole and a South pole like the Earth, and they're all random. There's no order to them.

You get in an MRI machine, it hits you with 50,000 gauss, and all of your protons line up like a laser.

They create their own magnetic field. So your body is now emitting a magnetic field. That's not even the magic yet. Then you take radio waves. I mentioned that earlier—102.3 FM, AM. It's actually in that spectrum, AM and FM radio.

If you want to look at the liver, you turn it to one frequency. If you want to look at blood, you turn it to another one. So you hit the person with that radio frequency while the magnetic field's going, while the body is in laser harmony. Then you turn everything off.

When your body emits all of that energy, you capture it in a Fourier transform imaging system. That's how you get an MRI picture.

Ashley James (1:33:46.494)

It is so wild that it flips the polarity of everything in your body, then it flips back, and then it captures an image. It is so freaking wild. How would they figure that out? They had to play around with so many things.

Mark Fox (1:34:06.430)

I think it had to be 5,000 people making mistakes at the same time because the magic part too is you turn the radio thing, you turn the frequency different to look at the liver versus the blood versus the heart or different frequencies for different areas of the heart or depth of the heart. Yes, that is millions of times more magic than an MP3 player that's simulating, in many senses, the earth's heartbeat.

When I get called liar, liar, pants on fire—that's the name of the article I wrote—Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire. I just listed the top 100 medical technical discoveries in the last hundred years, and they're all magic. None of them should work. None. The MRI is the one that just attracts me the most. I'm like, really?

There's one other story real quick. Carrie Mollis, who invented polarized chain reaction, won the Nobel Prize. He's at a wizard academy. It's a place where I'm actually going next week. I teach creative thinking there and stuff. But anyway, him and Roy Williams, who owns the academy, after he won PCR or did PCR, he was talking about how he could attach—we'll get into the chemistry part—but he's, again, a chemist, not a biologist. He could attach basically any ailment, anthrax, to a certain chemical and put it in a pill. You take the pill every day. If you don't get anthrax, you just urinate it out, and nothing bad happens.

But if you do, what it's doing is taking the T cells in your body, attaching it, and giving it a signature. Let's use COVID because it's more relevant. The COVID virus, you could attach a signal to the atom or to the molecule. If you see COVID, get all the T cells rounded up and let's go kick its butt. So Roy goes, is this stuff for real?

He goes, yes, I think it'd work. Roy goes, why don't you do it? He goes, cause you got to have money and lab stuff. Roy goes, well, how much does it cost? So anyway, they came to a number, and Roy goes, I'll give you the money. Go do it. He goes, is that legal? You just guess, work in government, and buy.

So they researched it, and I'm not making this up. You can go Google it on TED. He got 23 times better results than he expected. But here's what happened. We're talking about the government coming in. A Navy Admiral showed up and said, show me what you're doing.

He showed him what he's doing. He goes, you don't own that no more. You work for the government.

They gave my friend his money back, and he's like, wait a minute. I invested in this. They go, we don't care. Tthat one, you kind of get a little bit. If you can take a pill and not have a disease kill you and urinate it out, you don't want the enemy to have that pill. So you can kind of see why the military gets involved. That's my understanding. That's a true story. I wasn't there for the whole conversation, but I've heard it multiple times.

Ashley James (1:36:58.245)

I just pray for protection over you and your work and Vibe that you just, you're invisible to these agencies while you continue to do the good work that you do. That’s my prayer over you.

Mark Fox (1:37:14.471)

Thank you. Two years ago, I was doing a keynote presentation before The Vibe even existed. I was just getting ready to come out with it. Somebody goes, well, how are you going to measure success? I go, when Pfizer assassinates me.

I was kinda half joking. I was like, if I could actually put a dent in the drug companies, which I'm nowhere close to but that was my joke.

Ashley James (1:37:35.549)

I do have someone using The Vibe that is now off all their medication. I mean, you got one person, you have one success for sure.

Mark Fox (1:37:48.185)

I got more than one success, but not being the doctor, you tell them that Mark said, don't get off your medication until you talk to your doctor.

Ashley James (1:37:55.521)

Their doctor took them off all their medication after they asked to be taken off all their medication and that they're 100% healthy and they don't need to be on it. It's just, it's very exciting that something can help mental, emotional health as much as physical health. It's so affordable, and it's so easy to use. It's so easy to use. It's not a bunch of things you have to put in your mouth and swallow and remember. It's just, it's fun. It's fun. It's easy to use.

Mark Fox (1:38:23.197)

Think about putting things in your mouth though. Here's an example. So a good friend of mine, whose name is Bert, won't say his last name. He's type two diabetic, big guy. So his blood sugar immediately went down. He lost some weight, and then not a lot. Then he kind of gained a couple more pounds. I’m like, Dude, there's no way you're not losing more weight. He's , and we're on a Zoom call, and he's got the smirk on his face. What? Tell me. Well, now my blood sugar is low. I started eating donuts again. Bert—okay.

So be careful of that because that's all gone now. Now I can start doing bad stuff again. Stay on the good path.

Ashley James (1:39:03.962)

Let's talk a bit about those studies that you have completed. The PTSD study with tremendous success. That's what got me super excited about it just to try it for the first time. But now you have a few studies out there. They haven't finished, but there's some initial feedback. Can you share about that?

Mark Fox (1:39:24.601)

Yes, on the PTSD study, just to be clear, it's still ongoing forever. When somebody buys a Vibe, you can sign up for the study. I'm just not giving the devices away for free anymore. I just can't afford it. But you can do the pre and post study, and I'll give you a free report card that shows you before and after stuff.

I have sleep studies, some blood sugar studies, some other studies where I'd given up on those doctors, and I'm rebooting and starting with this new doctor who laughed at this too. He's an hour and a half away from me, so I can drive over and choke him to death if I don't get my data. He's over in Windermere, and I'm in Cocoa Beach, Florida. No, I know where you live. I can get over there.

He seems like the right guy because he's excited. He's excited about the technology and what it's doing. That's his kind of expertise, running third-party studies.

Blood sugar is the next one that I'm going to do. I got a hurricane tomorrow, and then I'm going to teach a class next week. The week after, we're going to meet and go through it. He's also got a lab that can do a bunch of things. That's one study—blood sugar—because everyone in the world is pre-diabetic, or it seems like it. Pre-diabetes. So that's a huge one.

I've got lots and lots and lots of data where it's helping people. Blood sugar is coming down, the A1C is coming down, but back to the Facebook haters and getting assassinated and everyone beating me up, I don't want to really promote it much until I got another published document that a third party did the research on so I can stand behind it, okay? That's my goal with that.

The next one's going to be the vagus nerve. The reason I hired this doctor, I'll tell you, is because, so blood pressure, heart rate variability, and sleep. That's how you measure whether the vagus nerve is getting better. He goes, yes. Which heart rate variability are you talking about? The HRV one. No, there's a whole bunch of them. You got to know which one to measure. He shows me all this instrumentation stuff that he has. So he's the right guy to help with that study. He goes, you have to have this device, and you need this. He showed me all his scatter plots, and he's got all the software and the IRBs. He's got people lined up. He knows how to go get the volunteers.

Ashley James (01:40:27.407)

Nice. For listeners that don't know what heart rate variability is, go to my website, learntruehealth.com, type in heart rate variability, listen to my interview. I actually have a few interviews, one with Forrest Knutson, where we dive into heart rate variability. It's fascinating. It was discovered by accident. My understanding is it was discovered by accident because of this super healthy Russian cosmonaut, they monitor them 24—I didn't even know this—for 24 hours a day when they're up in the space station. They monitor their health and their health metrics.

He was sleeping, and they thought he was having a cardiac event because the variability is the heart rate difference between when you're taking an inhale and an exhale. The healthier you are mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, energetically, the whole bit, the healthier you are, you have a stronger variable between the heart rate when you inhale and the heart rate when you exhale.

This is such an interesting metric that they've discovered that now life insurance companies are considering or playing around with using it as a metric to see if they'll measure your heart rate variability to see if you're going to die soon or not. They're considering using it to determine whether they should sell you life insurance.

Mark Fox (1:43:07.089)

I didn't know much about it a couple of years ago, and it's not intuitive. When you hear heart rate, a lot of people think of pulse. It's not. It's the variability, the time distance between the two. So the more variability you have in heart rate variability, the better, the more healthy you are.

So I've learned a couple of things. Not being a doctor too, I've made mistakes. Just so everyone is clear, this is, I mentioned horses, but this is for people and pets. So dogs, cats, horses, and people. I ran a huge study with, I think it's the largest no-kill dog shelter in the United States, for sure. There's 850 dogs that's south of me. I made the mistake, so my logic was they all got PTSD because they're in jail.

They didn't do anything wrong, and they're behind bars. They're in jail. So I made an assumption, wrongly, that cortisol levels would be really high, and if the PTSD helped them, then the cortisol would come down. Cortisol does not correlate to PTSD.

Actually, people that have PTSD have very low cortisol to start with, so that is not the right metric. So Mark wasted a couple of months, some more of my wife's money, running a big study that I measured the wrong thing. So one reason to have this doctor since he said which heart rate variability, know what you're doing, is he started showing me four different kinds or something, different charts. I'm, hmm. Yes, I'll come over to your place. We'll talk about it.

Ashley James (1:44:30.165)

I  love it. Now you can take The Vibe. I mean, I like wearing it, but I've used it a few times on my water, and I drink filtered, pure filtered water, and have all the crap removed. I structure my water with an Analemma. Have two interviews about the Analemma and using structured water.

Then I tried The Vibe with the love frequency and there was another. I just remember the love frequency. The water tastes different. It feels different in my mouth. It tastes different.

Then, of course, I was with a bunch of friends at the time, so we were passing the water around, going, compare this water to this water and just tell me what you think. It's different.

So you say that we can use The Vibe to actually change or enhance the healing property of that water or a body cream.

Can we talk a bit about that?

Mark Fox (1:45:29.637)

Yes, we can. So the theory, anecdotal data is that you can infuse the frequencies in the water for up to six to eight hours and just drink the water, or you can put it in cream for up to 30 days and then just rub the cream on you. Now, I told you number one is I don't want to hurt anyone. Number two is I don't want to sell voodoo. So the voodoo part, I'm already selling voodoo with The Vibe, so I don't market the cream. I sell quite a bit of cream.

But I don't really push the water infusion and the cream just because I'm still skeptical. I don't have hard data for that or even something close to it. I've got people tell me, well, how do I know it? I say, how do I know it keeps the back pain in the cream for 30 days? Well, because after 30 days or so, it doesn't seem to work anymore. Okay, that's not really scientific enough. 

I love homeopathic guys. Anton, you probably know him in Canada. He has Infopathy. Great guy. In fact, he's the one that gave me the music synthesizer to make these things. He's one of the good guys. I don't have enough data on it to feel good about pushing it, but I do sell a lot of cream, and I get good feedback.

I'm not a big research company. I'm literally spending my and my wife's retirement on this, so I got to be careful which research things I spend money on. I just haven't got to one testing cream, and I'm not quite sure how to do it except double-blind studies and things like that with cream. The weird part is, in this whole health medical industry, the gold standard on before and after is still an analog visual scale. I walked in at eight and I left as a two. Then we go do all this insane statistics and stuff to prove whether it worked off what somebody self-reported.

So the more biomarkers and things you can get that are affordable. That's why the one I'm holding in my hand right now is a Fitbit 3. I don't get a kickback or anything from them. But the reason I like them, they're 79 bucks, and it's got sleep, heart rate variability.

Those alone and blood pressure stuff, those alone, that one doesn't do blood pressure, but if you're getting better sleep and your heart rate variability goes up, that's probably two of the best indicators of whatever ailment, condition, thing that you were trying to fix is probably better. So yes, just the cream in the water. That's about all I do with it.

I've got a Terahertz light that a friend gave me, and I put it in my water. I don't know if it's helping me yet or not or better, but I don't have any scientific data on it. 

Ashley James (1:48:18.651)

I like it. You're not a snake oil salesman. You're trying to sell it. You're just, here's the data. I'm going to be skeptical about it. 

But I took the machine I've seen online and I put it up against my jar of water. I drink from a mason jar. I noticed a difference. I ran the whole program and we shared the water. We all noticed a difference. It was interesting. I prefer to wear it, but I can see that there's times when you'd want to do that to your water or do that to cream, let's say, you said, pain or eczema or some kind of dermatitis or maybe small children. Instead of having them wear the device, because it does come with the lanyard. We wear it with the lanyard, but you can also just put it in your pocket, which I thought was fascinating.

Mark Fox (1:49:06.263)

About a year ago, I gave up telling women to quit putting it in their bra. Because after 20 of them dropped it in the toilet, they called me to go, so what happens when you drop it in the toilet? Go, or what happens when it gets wet? I go, you dropped it in the toilet. What are you, a psychic? No, that's the only way it can get wet.

So you're going to laugh at this, but on the coils, you have the device in your back. The new version, shipped three days ago, there's a water barrier on the inside of those vent holes so it can breathe air but water can't get through for that reason.

Ashley James (1:49:40.871)

Oh my gosh. Amazing. So you’ve recently updated it. I love it. 

Mark Fox (1:49:45.236)

Yes, trying to make it toilet-proof, and we changed some chips. People are rough on these things. There's dirty electricity in their houses, and we have all kinds of voltage protection on it. Ashley, here’s the number one complaint from people. Mine's broken. I need a new one. What's it doing? There's no power level coming out anymore.

My wife said that is the dumbest invention you ever came up with. It's a little plastic tube with a magnet in it. So you can put it on there and a magnet jumps around. You can see it and hear it.

My wife goes, nobody's going to want that. I go, that is the best little tester in the world. So when they put that on there and go, mine quit. I need a new one now. Immediately. I've only had it a month. I go, I am 100% positive you turned the power level down. I did not. Yes, you did. I did not. Send me a picture. I did not. Send me a picture. Nevermind.

Ashley James (1:50:33.342)

My power level's at 10. I'm not turning that thing down. But it's cool that you can adjust it for someone who's more sensitive. Maybe I should have done that with my friend with MS who started feeling weird. Maybe I should have turned the power level down for them.

Mark Fox (1:50:47.822)

Well, Gabby, who's VP of operations, so the company's me and Gabby, there's two of us, and I have a lot of gig people that help me too. Gabby's, why don't you just design it so it doesn't have a power level? Mike, because what you just said, it's three to five percent of the people who can't handle it. They can't handle a ten. They can't handle eight, five to nine gauss. So that's why the power is still on there.

Ashley James (1:51:11.504)

I love that. I love that. Thank you. Thank you for explaining that. So the next update, I got to just tell you, my husband really wants it to be so that when you turn it on, you can see the battery level right away. Because you have to wait till you turn on a program to see the battery level. Because we're always fighting over it. I wish—I know—we should just buy more. We should have more of them in the house because there are two of them for the three of us.

Mark Fox (1:51:34.910)

That one doesn't come up very often. The number one complaint that comes up from people is, I want it to go ding, make a sound when the protocol ends. I go, no, no, no, no, here's why. I already tested all that. Half the people want that, and half hate it. Half that hate it are more vicious. They're like, I don't want anyone knowing I'm running protocols, and I don't want it dinging and scaring me. Then another person puts a vibrating thing in there like your phone. I'm, no, because people are going to scream at the end because they forget it's in their pocket. I do. Customers are almost always right. Some of the stuff just isn't.

Ashley James (1:52:11.716)

So I know it's so funny. Actually, I'm very sensitive to energy, to frequency, and I know when it turns off. I can actually go, okay, my program's done. I pull it out of my pocket. It's still on. It's on for a minute or so after, and then it shuts down to preserve energy, to preserve battery. But I know when my program's over. I can feel it. Obviously, not everyone can, but I can feel it when it's on. I love it

Mark Fox (1:52:39.522)

Yes, yes, you're in that three to five percent. But so what it does, just so you know, is after 15 seconds of not touching anything, the screen is going to go into sleep mode. But the protocol is running. The reason is to save battery because that screen, when it's lit up, uses eight times more battery power. So when everyone goes, it doesn't last long enough, I want a 12-hour battery. I go, well, it's going to look like a football. So is that what you want?

They're like, well, I want it smaller than that, but a 12-hour battery. The technology isn't there yet. Just so you know, if you do nothing at the end of the protocol or you hit pause, after 10 minutes—it’s going to power down to save the battery. What some people will do is, in their pocket, they'll accidentally hit the pause button and they don't know it. Then after 10 minutes, it'll just shut down. Yes, I don't know. 

Here's one that I could tell by your personality—you'll appreciate this one. So I made it, and people go, it looks like an old iPod. Yes, I did it on purpose. I wanted it to have familiarity. Most people will not get this. The colors on the bars that are jumping are the same colors as a Star Trek Tri-Q.

Ashley James (1:53:50.699)

That does make me happy, I'm a big Trekkie.

Mark Fox (1:53:57.575)

Nobody has ever called me up and said, hey, I noticed that until I tell them, that's how I did the colors.

Ashley James (1:54:03.451)

I love that. I wear it with the lanyard. So the device is touching my skin. I put it underneath my clothing. But it works through clothing.

Mark Fox (1:54:14.927)

It works through clothing. It doesn't need to be against your skin, but you've got a big poofy ski jacket on. So it's interesting you said you're energy sensitive because this is.

First of all, the return rate, I'm not going to tell you one, but it's very, very low. But the ones I get back, it's not because it didn't work. It's all kinds of weird things. But there's some people, two of them today, this device is screaming. It's so loud. I go, it barely makes a buzzing sound. Then they'll videotape it and send it to me. I can't hear anything or they'll send it back to me. There's nothing wrong with it. So I wrote an article on it a couple of months ago.

Apparently, people have superhuman hearing. The other one is temperature sensitivity. So it'll get to 105 Fahrenheit. It's not hot. It's warm. But people will tell me it's burning my skin. It's not. I've never had one yet ever get above 105. Now if you stick it in a really thick bra with a coat and a shirt on, it's going to get a little warmer because it has no ventilation. Just give it some ventilation.

It's interesting because I tell people to get a baby thermometer. After I got several back and I'm testing them, there's nothing ever wrong with them. I've had people on Zoom calls say, so that's actually burning your fingers right now, that you can't even hold it, like a hot potato. Shoot it with the infrared thermometer. They go, it's a hundred and one. I'm, hmm, I don't know what to do about that. Some people, a small percentage, are super sensitive to temperature and sound.

Ashley James (1:55:50.480)

Yes, I can hear it when I put it right up to my ear. I can hear it. You're right, it does sound like there's a song playing. It's just, it's so quiet. I have to put it right up to my ear. I like the warmth, and my son loves the warmth. When his program's over, I'll be like, okay, it's my turn. He goes, no, it's still warm. Don't take it away. I want it. I like it. It's still warm. So we like the warmth.

Mark Fox (1:56:16.755)

Yes, the majority of people do love the warmth. The first test I came up with, hold it arm's length from your ear. Can you still hear it screaming? I've had five or six people tell me yes. I'm like, really? Send it back. Then I get it. Of course, there's nothing wrong with it. So I've just concluded a small percentage of people are superhuman, sound and touch, or temperature sensitive.

Ashley James (1:56:41.031)

But if let's say someone is, but they also have PTSD or they have pain or for me, I can't hear it unless I put it right up to my ear because that's one of the first things I did because I wanted to know if I could hear the zap zap zap. The giant P.M.F. mats, and it doesn't do that. It doesn't zap me. It doesn't hurt, which I love, but if you're using it to help your body overcome something, to me, that's worth it. Put some earplugs in

Mark Fox (1:57:16.439)

Put it on the outside of your clothes, turn the TV up, wear some earplugs, don't put it straight against your skin, all the above. The other thing we tell people, again, turn the power level down to seven, but that, again, don't go above 3% of people that can't handle 10. Then I get the other extreme, of course, it's not nearly strong enough. I can't feel it. Exactly what you just said you don't want. I've gotten some returns. It's not jerking my body, and I can't feel it, so it can't be working. It's not supposed to do that. It's not a 10 unit. Do you feel better? Well, I only tried it once, so I sent it back. I was, OK, well, you can give it a fair chance.

Ashley James (1:57:52.915)

Well, I know my listeners will give it a fair chance. My listeners are very open-minded. They're sick of suffering. They're sick of the mainstream medical system lying to them, and they want to take their health to the next level. So I know my listeners are going to be eager to try this, and thank you so much for making it so affordable because these PEMF machines are thousands and thousands of dollars. I would have bought a Beamer, but it was over $5,000, and I once spent, I think, $2,000 on one of those infrared mats with 23 pounds of amethyst crystal inside. It's like lying on a sauna, right? We had fun with it, but it was such a stretch for us mentally to spend thousands of dollars. I bought a sauna. I have my Sunlighten sauna right here beside me in the office. I love it. It's really helped me.

But that's a few thousand dollars. I did it on a payment plan, a credit card thing. Most people don't have thousands of dollars. They're sick, they're suffering. I can't tell you, I can't even count on my hands how many people I know that have Lyme disease. I've personally helped several clients to overcome it because it's all about supporting the body's ability to heal itself and help the body to wipe out those infections and co-infections.

So I've seen people overcome Lyme, but I know so many people still suffering from it, and they get gaslit constantly by the mainstream medical system. It's really sad. I have a friend actually up in Canada who has been misdiagnosed with some kind of bipolar schizophrenia, some kind of thing. They want to do this type of electronic pulses to her brain, which makes her have amnesia.

She has Lyme. She has Lyme. This is the problem. The doctors will not recognize that Lyme is the problem. They say, no, it's all just in your head. That is so infuriating. So people are sick, and they're sick of it. They're sick of the BS, and they want to support their body's ability to heal itself. So I know they're going to want to grab a Vibe. It's affordable. There's a return policy if you don't like it. I cannot even fathom not liking this. I'm so excited to tell the world about this machine and everything it's capable of doing. 

Even if it was just one thing, but it's so many things. Even if we just looked at it for pain or just looked at it for PTSD, you said, if we can prevent suicide, if we can decrease that suicide rate, if we can increase the quality of life, especially for our servicemen and women. A lot of moms out there are traumatized. I was one of them. So that's why I'm so excited. So thank you for doing what you do. 

I really want you to come back on the show when you've completed or at least have some information about these studies that you're running that you can come back and share. I would love for you to come back and continue to share the success you're getting.

Listeners, when you write to Mark Fox, I want you to be nice to him, okay? When you see Mark Fox, when you see Mark Fox on Google or on YouTube, Facebook. My brain was running through a little Rolodex of social media words. When you see him on the interwebs, can you please be a supportive voice to drown out the hysteria of negativity, which personally I think are bots? I just have a whole conspiracy theory about that. So just give some positivity his way.

Listeners, go to https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth. There's a discount when you buy two, which I recommend doing because if you have anyone else in your household living with you, you're going to want this for yourself. You're going to want one to let them fight among the second one.

Mark Fox (2:02:04.698)

There's a reason the 2-Pack is the best seller for that reason.

Ashley James (2:02:07.174)

Right, exactly. Yes, so I highly recommend that. Mark, we've had a great conversation, and I just love this. I'm sad to end this interview, but is there anything that you haven't said that you really wanted to make sure that you said? Is there anything we didn't touch on that you just really want to leave our listeners with?

Mark Fox (2:02:29.050)

It's probably not your listeners, but just in general. So, a guy named Rich Hall was a comedian in the 70s. He had a thing called Sniglets. They were words that don't exist but should, or they're not in the dictionary but they should. One of them is bozone. It's a combination of bozo and ozone. It's an invisible gas that surrounds people. It stops new ideas from getting in.

So get rid of the bozone. Try it. I don't want a single person in the world to have one that they paid for if it didn't work for them. I'll give you your money back. I don't need any haters out there. Just think about that as, give it a chance. Go in with a positive attitude. It's not going to work for everyone. Nothing's a hundred percent, but we've got, as I said many times, a super high success rate, which is exciting.

Ashley James (2:03:14.326)

It is so exciting. It is so exciting. Please share this interview with those you care about who have any of the issues that we've talked about today. If you see a friend struggling, sometimes we lose friends to suicide and we're really surprised because we didn't even know they were suffering. So if there's any warning signs that you can think of, if any of your friends or family have sort of withdrawn, they're having sleep problems, if they're having anxiety or having depression, if they have been in active duty, please share this interview with them. Anyone you know who's looking to improve their health, please share this interview with them.

Can you imagine how this is going to disrupt the space? How many people aren't going to turn to these useless drugs that cause more harm than good when we can support the body's ability to heal itself?

So again, https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth.

Thank you, Mark Fox, for coming on the show. This has been wonderful, and I can't wait to have you back.

Mark Fox (2:04:16.683)

Thank you for having me. It was fantastic. Take care.

Outro:

Wasn't that an amazing interview with Mark Fox? I love what he's doing. I can't wait to have him back on the show when he has more studies that he can share with us. Please share this podcast with those you care about. Share this episode.

Christmas, the holidays, they're coming up around the corner. I know some birthdays, and this is such a great gift to give people. I think that would be so cool. What a unique gift.

I'm sure you have those people in your life, like your dad or your brother or your husband, and you're just thinking, what do I get this person, this person that has everything, what do I get them? Well, I bet they don't have a vibe, get your loved one, like the gift of health. But also it's unique because people are kind of sick of putting stuff in their mouth, like protein powder. This smoothie and these pills and these tinctures and just everything, taking supplements, which I believe in supplements but people are kind of just like they're just sick of it and, at the end of the day, anything you can help people with that isn't just taking another thing to swallow that can aid them in their health. 

If you're a health nut like me, you're like I've met my quota of capsules and tinctures and powders and potions that I'm consuming every day. I don't want to add another one unless it really makes a big difference or somehow eliminates some of the other ones. But then we bring this thing in and you just wear it. It's as hard as hitting three buttons, click, click, click. Find your program, hit go and just wear it, just put it in your pocket or put it around your neck and just go. That's it. Do it a few times a day if you want, and then plug it in like a cell phone and that's it. It's so easy.

So it would make a really great holiday gift or birthday gift. First of all, gift it to yourself. I always say with this vibe though, get more than one, because I made the mistake of only getting one, and then we had to fight over it. The four of us had to fight over it and then I immediately bought another one, and then another family member bought another one, and now there's a little less fighting. I think I should buy a few more so we can lend one out to a friend and everyone in the house has one around their neck at all times.

Go to https://resona.health/general-wellness-lth.

Let me know what you think of it. Come into the Facebook group, the Learn True Health Facebook group.

Let me know about your experience, because it's one of those things where I was like, wow, it was just for the first few days. I was like, oh, this feels kind of neat. I know I'm pretty sensitive to frequencies, I've experienced from other things. But then all of a sudden I started laughing, started feeling happier. I just noticed I'd fall asleep even easier, even quicker. I noticed my dreams. Oh my gosh, he talks about that. My dreams are so detailed. It's more detailed than watching a movie now and I wake up remembering them even more. It's just really, really neat. Of course I talked about quitting coffee, I use the awake program in the morning instead of coffee and I'm just like boom, my everything comes online even more. Like I was already good to begin with and that just took it to another level. So it's subtle for some, for some things and then for others it's just like wow, that really worked. I can really feel that. So just keep notes of little health changes because over time you'll forget that you did, I know I did. I look back at my notes. I was like, oh yeah, I can't, I had forgotten that that happened. It was really neat. I had a huge breakthrough. It cleared up a mental block that I'd been struggling with and kind of wrestling with for months to overcome. I knew I'd overcome it because I was not going to let it go, I was going to keep working on this mental block. But just wearing it resolved the mental block. I was like this is amazing. So keep track of your results as you use the vibe and please message me on Facebook or email me, ashley@learntruehealth.com. Let me know what you think, let me know your experience. I want to hear about it. Come into the Facebook group Learn True Health Facebook group and let us know, because we want to hear about it as well, and together as a community, we can hear how you use the vibe for your own health journey and what kind of results you are getting, and we can learn from each other.

Awesome, thank you for listening. Thank you for sharing this podcast with those you care about. It's because of you and your sharing of these episodes, especially this one, that we are helping end the suffering of people and that we are spreading this health information. It's so important that we do that, so I really thank you for that support. Continue to stay tuned. We got some awesome episodes coming up, so I hope you are enjoying it. Please feel free to leave a five-star review on iTunes and on Spotify. That really, really helps me. If you want to support my podcast, that really, really helps me and I really appreciate it.

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